Transfer rumours and speculation to take us through to summer.

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  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    OCS

    Indeed, but then I'd sooner see us take a punt on a young player with potential. I think with players like Mitrovic and Rondon, we've seen all they are ever going to have.

    I would too normally, but if our big money signing is to be Gomez, then he fits the young player with potential category. If, for whatever reason, he struggles to find form, I'd rather have a Rondon on the sidelines who we know can do a job, rather than another young player with potential who could do a Gomez himself.

    If Gomez comes in, settles and bangs in 15 goals, we then target another young player with potential next summer knowing that he won't be under any pressure to immediately perform.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    I would’ve taken either mitrovic or Rondon, the former is hardly past it at 24?

    I think we will get Gomez, which is happens then the owners deserve credit for sticking with it

    Honestly think this could be a really good season for us
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    I don't think Mitrovic is 'past it', I just think he's found his level. I'm not sure he's got what it takes to move up another level.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    The other thing about Arnie, we’ve been had over the fee as well, Danny Ings and Tyrone Ming’s worth as much / more - really?

    Anyway at least stoke will get virtually nothing

    I hope we had some deal in place where we got the bulk of it in cash rather than waiting the full 4 years by which time he’ll be retired to a Chinese casino?
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Nope, not for me. Not after what he did in Jan, only to come back for round 2 in June.

    I'm not saying he hasn't warranted a graceless goodbye. I'm just saying we look better as a business by rising above it. What do we achieve by not showing a bit more class? Are we trying to hurt Arnie's feelings? Because he doesn't care.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    But it's not being gracious if it isn't meant, is it?
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    If I was to be be very harsh I would say his only true stand out games were those where Mark Hughes was the opposition manager.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited July 2019
    IronHerb said:

    But it's not being gracious if it isn't meant, is it?

    It should be meant, though. He was Hammer of the Year last year.

    Just because it ended badly doesn't mean there weren't good times too.

    I think to ignore the positives and make no mention of them at all is a bit petty. As I said, just my opinion, don't expect many to agree. (Just as well, probably :biggrin: )
  • McHammerMcHammer


  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    I hope if we do sign Gomez we put a massive release clause in his contract of 100 mil to protect our interests
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Nope, not for me. Not after what he did in Jan, only to come back for round 2 in June.

    I'm not saying he hasn't warranted a graceless goodbye. I'm just saying we look better as a business by rising above it. What do we achieve by not showing a bit more class? Are we trying to hurt Arnie's feelings? Because he doesn't care.
    I’ve slaughtered the clubs PR (and owner gaffs) in the past - however on this occasion I think they have it bang on - stone cold nothing except he’s been transferred, frankly it’s all he deserved after his “games”
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Know what you mean PLF but he has to sign the contract too.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    McHammer said:




    Yep whatever, for me this was way worse than the Payet situation where there were clear personal reasons in the background, it wasn’t blatantly all about the money
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    edited July 2019
    Anyway enough about him, so when will we have the league wrapped up by - March ? April ?

    COYI
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    edited July 2019


    Arnie arguing with a fan.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    "I cant speak"

    Well there lies your problem Marko you let your brother do the speaking for you. :wave: perhaps grow a spine.
  • HamstewHamstew
    Yeah saw that lol. China is off lol
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    But if he is on the reported £200-300k then his brother has done the talking pretty well.
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    I think the club needs to learn from Payet and Arnie and sell when they have highest value. I think the board are trying to apease the fans too much by not being a selling club. Agents will see us as a soft touch to get low value moves - if this continues. Payet, Arnie (and potentially Lanzini) all went for half price. Need to be a lot wiser, especially with players in last stages of their careers.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    IBL but how are the club to know when the highest value is and do we sell players when they are playing the their peak to get most value. Unfortunately players have a lot of power nowdays and if they want to make like hard for the club to force a move I cant see what else they can do. We cannot afford to stick them in the with the kids if they are one of our highest earners. We did n't sell Arnie in Jan as it would have left us short of strikers as we did n't have enough time to get someone else in.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Although to be fair we could have cashed in in Jan and released Gomez clause there and then (hindsight) (?)

    Furthermore Arnie was out for a reasonable spell post Jan wasn’t he?
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    edited July 2019
    Regardless, we’ve been bent over the barrel by two players in a row. Not a great message to the players agents.
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    If we get Gómez, wouldn’t like to see Antonio and Hugil as back-up. Play the same system. Chicha makes everything weird as a lone striker. I think Antonio is the only player that can dominate a front line like Arnie did. Would prefer him on the right supporting Gómez as a right sided - sometimes drifting to number 9 role. I do love Antonio.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Think people forget we’ve still got hugill :whistle:
  • nychammer66nychammer66
    Maybe if hugill were given the chance, he would shine. Positive thoughts!
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Well, he's being given a chance to impress in pre-season. Let's see if Pelle thinks he's got what it takes.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    He was given a chance by Boro in the Championship and they don't appear to want him back, which I think tells us everything we need to know about his ability to do it in the PL.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    edited July 2019
    I agree with IBL

    While it can be admirable our track record isn't especially good at cashing in on players, often losing a lot of money

    It's a hard one to gauge, but teams around us are selling players for huge sums for players that havent got half the talent as Payet/Arnie etc
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Playing under Pullis in the Championship is hardly a strikers paradise.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    It’s by no means easy for the club, and yes I agree that the players do in the main hold most of the cards, but comboned Payet and Arnie have cost us around £40-50m in lost revenue imo

    It’s pretty much on record that when Payet told Slav about his situation and wish to leave, the manager wanted him gone ASAP, however the owners decided to give him a nice little bonus/contract and ask him to stay until the end of the season - possible £25m lost and the cost of the new bonus/contract

    Arnie is said to have left MP infuriated in January and once again we’ve lost out on about £20m

    Realize that if the owners had cashed in on Payet there could’ve been a backlash, however had they staged his well rumoured case of leaving that could’ve been managed, the same with Arnie

    The problem here is that Sully doesn’t have the full backing of the majority of fans imo, therefore many don’t trust him, even when he is trying to do what’s right, however you look at it he owns that relationship the way it is. Therefore he’s always wary of a Burnley style backlash and negative publicity - but I would’ve loved it if he had of told either of these players you only go on our terms otherwise I’ll pay for you to be with the stiffs/reserves myself
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