Transfer rumours and speculation to take us through to summer.

IronHerb

But the release clause in Spain has to be met in full and lodged with La Liga. We appear to have agreed to the £45m value of the release clause but are negotiating instalments. That is not meeting the release clause.

IronHerb

Pearces_Left_Foot said:

I think most clubs our size would struggle to pay £45mil upfront

I agree but it has been reported that we got Arnies fee paid in full so maybe we are 'only' looking for £22-23m.

Yeoldhammer

Problem is everyone now knows we are willing to spend 45m on a striker and have now sold our previous #1 striker so will be desperate.

Good luck Husillos and the Daves :thumbsup: :wave:

Hamstew

We need to quickly move on.

Fortuneseeker

Lets hope whilst all this saga has been going on we have actually been working in the background on signing a couple of decent strikers. :pray:

IronHerb

I think some fans will be desperate but I don't think Pelle will be.

MrsGrey

IronHerb said:

But the release clause in Spain has to be met in full and lodged with La Liga. We appear to have agreed to the £45m value of the release clause but are negotiating instalments. That is not meeting the release clause.

I think it might be a bit more complicated than that.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/buy-out-clauses-how-they-work-spanish-football

Sometimes the buyout clause is bigger than the buyout clause :hmm: Depending on how it's calculated.

And it's the player who lodges the money with La Liga?

But if the player doesn't want to come to us, then he won't co-operate?

Pearces_Left_Foot

Its been a cunning ploy we distract everyone with endless Gomez talk whilst agent Husillos has been working on other transfers in secret :wahoo:

Hamstew

Personally I'm not that bothered. I don't even know if the guy is any good. It's just that it's dragged on so long and this sort of thing has happened before.

steve

:hmm:If they want players as part of any deal ,we have plenty :biggrin:

Expat_Hammer

IronHerb said:

But the release clause in Spain has to be met in full and lodged with La Liga. We appear to have agreed to the £45m value of the release clause but are negotiating instalments. That is not meeting the release clause.

I think that they were trying to do a deal without triggering the clause, but CV wanted the money up front. Fair enough if you're selling something that someone wants.

Shame, he could have been a good signing :weep:

OldCastleSwift

Pearces_Left_Foot said:

Its been a cunning ploy we distract everyone with endless Gomez talk whilst agent Husillos has been working on other transfers in secret :wahoo:

alderz

MrsGrey said:

IronHerb said:

But the release clause in Spain has to be met in full and lodged with La Liga. We appear to have agreed to the £45m value of the release clause but are negotiating instalments. That is not meeting the release clause.

I think it might be a bit more complicated than that.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/buy-out-clauses-how-they-work-spanish-football

Sometimes the buyout clause is bigger than the buyout clause :hmm: Depending on how it's calculated.

And it's the player who lodges the money with La Liga?

But if the player doesn't want to come to us, then he won't co-operate?

This article was really interesting and very complicated

Fortuneseeker

Not wanting to state the flaming obvious but it appears it is easier to sign a player who actually wants to join you. Although the rumour mill said at one point he wanted to come to us, from a very early stage all I mostly read was he was keen to play in the Champions League which he can get at Valencia. We move on but to who I haven't a clue! Neymar, Griezmann, ? :biggrin:

OldCastleSwift

What does concern me is that we're a month away from the new season and our squad is weaker than it was when last season ended.

Nothing to suggest Roberto is any better than Adrian. David Martin brings nothing to the squad, other than allowing Trott to go on loan.

Fornals looks good, but is he any better than Nasri? Granted, Nasri's fitness was poor but in terms of quality, I would say they're probably on a par.

I don't think we're going to miss Carroll at all, but obviously Arnautovic was out No1 forward and Perez actually chipped in with a few goals, and neither has been replaced as yet, so we're significantly weaker up front than we were in May.

Now I'd like to think that the board have been working on other deals in parallel with Gomez, so that we don't have to start again with other targets, but I can't help but feel we're now under a bit of pressure to bring in two strikers in a market where our need is very public. As Yeold alludes to, I think clubs out there are in a strong position to rinse us.

mike

yoyo said:

BREAKING NEWS

Sky sources understand the deal to take Celta Vigo striker Maxi Gomez to West Ham United is off.

West Ham offered the £45m release clause to the Spanish club but could not agree a payment structure.

Gomez is now closing in a move to Valencia. He is expected in Spain tomorrow to finalise the move.

Valencia have offered cash plus players to seal his signature
.........

Now where do we turn?

That's been reported on KUMB as well.
http://kumb.com/story.php?id=133669

I don't think we should panic.
Pellegrini would have been looking at other players just in case this scenario happened.

MrsGrey

alderz :ok:
It also seems to be saying that triggering the release clause (or 'buyout clause' which may or may not be the same thing) simply means the club have to allow you to talk to the player. It's not any guarantee a deal will be done.

But if the player is happy, and agrees personal terms, they then lodge the buyout fee (subbed by the buying club, obvs) and it all goes ahead whether the selling club is happy or not.

However, if the player isn't keen/can't agree terms/has other irons in the fire (no pun intended) then they will simply hold out until they get what they want (by refusing to facilitate the lodging of the fee with La Liga???). A which point, the selling club might be persuaded to accept the value of the buyout clause made up in different ways (makeweight players etc)??

Seems to give most of the power to the player (which I think was the aim of the Decree thingy that brought in the obligation for all player contracts to have a buyout clause in them).

It's very different from the PL system.

Expat_Hammer

I think that they should bite the bullet and pay it upfront. Apparently Gomez wanted to come here, we wanted him, but either can't or won't pay up front.

Possibly not the best signal to be sending out to either Maxi, or anyone else we may want to buy.

If only Ann Summers had had a better year

MrsGrey

OldCastleSwift said:

What does concern me is that we're a month away from the new season and our squad is weaker than it was when last season ended.

I think the picture is a bit brighter than you make out.

We had 2 players unavailable (Reid + Yarmo) who are now fit. That's like 2 new signings.

Fornals is younger and will (we hope :pray: ) develop - whereas Nasri was coming to the end of his career and in any case was only available (when fit) for half a season.

We've got Hugills back (ok, I know, but Pelle might be impressed)

mike

Maybe conflicting reports expat but i thought he wanted to stay in spain. :hmm:

MrsGrey

Expat_Hammer said:

Apparently Gomez wanted to come here,

Well, I've seen lots of reports that he wasn't keen. So I guess until he speaks out, we'll never know.

mike

I got in first MrsGrey :hug:

Expat_Hammer

I'm sure that I read from Sky Sports (I know :doh: ) that he was happy with the offer from us

grey_til_I_dye

Expat

Sky's reporting on this has frequently been contradictory.

Lukerz

Well not sure what Celta are playing at but it is within their right to take the deal they want. Our offer would have meant they got the best part of €50m from us over the next few years. As it is they are probs gonna accept around £20m for him with a couple of additional players.

You would hope there are other options because we have just lost arguably the best striker outside the top six & Rondon looks a no go too. Plus Andy & Perez being let go (which I am not complaining about, but I thought Perez was a handy third striker).

As OCS says, a month until the window closes & we are in a deficit in terms of squad balance. We are probably breaking even in all areas of the pitch but up front we need another two strikers & that is if we keep Hernandez. Plus one of them has to be good enough to replace Arnie; 20 goals in two seasons.

Yeoldhammer

Now i read we are interested in Balotelli give me strength.... when will we learn.

grey_til_I_dye

I think Balotelli is well worth a punt, but I hold no faith in reported rumours - unless we really have been looking at 60+ players this summer...

Cuz1

Hugill :bowdown:

Expat_Hammer

grey_til_I_dye said:

Expat

Sky's reporting on this has frequently been contradictory.

Of course, it's the meejah innit

MrsGrey

Yeoldhammer said:

Now i read we are interested in Balotelli give me strength.... when will we learn.

Well, the stories seem to be based on ExWHU tweeting this

I think he is on a long list of alternative forward options