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  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    Bubbles, she is indeed very eloquent. But we had a general election a short time ago, the two main parties stood on a platform that would honour the result of the referendum. The Liberal Democrats were the only party committed to staying in the EU and crashed and burned. Her idea of representative democracy is a lot different than mine, one could argue that a simple binary choice offered to the whole electorate is as democratic as it gets. One could also argue that FPTP is probably the least representative of all "democratic" systems. In the 2015 elections UKIP garnered nearly 4 million votes and got one seat, the SNP got around 1.5 million votes and got 56 seats. Hardly representative.
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    Bubbles, to sow division, Putin knows if Article 50 is revoked there will be fat bald blokes in hi viz charging about the streets.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Putin wants to weaken the EU and NATO so he can restore Russian influence over Eastern Europe.

    He wants to be the new Stalin. Or the new Tsar. Either one, they were basically the same thing.
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    Aslef, reminds me of a famous quote:

    "When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called the People`s stick"
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Madcap,
    Putin knows if Article 50 is revoked there will be fat bald blokes in hi viz charging about the streets.
    If you mean frustrated elderly Brexiteers, presumably they will have fitted wheels to their Zimmer frames.
    ;biggrin
  • imagelostimagelost
    BubblesNeverDies said:

    Madcap,
    Putin knows if Article 50 is revoked there will be fat bald blokes in hi viz charging about the streets.
    If you mean frustrated elderly Brexiteers, presumably they will have fitted wheels to their Zimmer frames.
    ;biggrin

    On the the streets you say ;hmm
    I hear that be very soon
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited March 2019
    Its a bit sweary but pretty much a good summation of how we got where we are



    "26% of UKIP voters in the 2015 voted as a protest against three main parties"

    Austerity broke the contract
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    A little quiet on here today, I assume you`re all on the peoples march. ;poormf
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited March 2019
    Waitrose yesterday ;tumbleweed

    If May fails to get her deal through a third time (if Bercow allows a third vote when you're only supposed to have one per session) there might be a rebellion by Tory MPs. She survived a vote of no confidence in December and according to party rules there can be another vote for 12 months but now they're looking to see if that rule can be changed.

    If it can't the plan seems to be forcing May out through a mass resignation by ministers leaving her unable to form a cabinet. What happens after that is anyone's guess, by rights deputy leader David Lidington (who?) should step in as caretaker PM until a new leader is elected but Lidington is a Remainer and wouldn't be welcomed by the Leave MPs.

    It might take a while for the two sides just to find someone they could both support as a temporary Prime Minister. The one thing they absolutely won't do is trigger an early General Election and risk the possibility of not being in government.

    Of course she could refuse to budge, there's nothing that actually says she has to quit.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    ASLEF

    ;ok

    It's a relief to see that.

    For a while there I was worried about the whole thing being an omnishambles...
  • MunichHammerMunichHammer
    I Always though it was the ancient Greeks who invented Comedy and tragedy. It now seems we're moving on to Comedy 2.0
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Nothing that hasn't happened before. In 1931 Ramsey McDonald was kicked out of the Labour party over welfare cuts but stayed on as Prime Minster.
  • imagelostimagelost
    edited March 2019
    That’s a bit marsh “tit”
    ;lol
  • imagelostimagelost
    I just signed a petition to leave EU with no deal by 29 March
    At present 512k
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited March 2019
    imagelost said:

    I just signed a petition to leave EU with no deal by 29 March
    At present 512k

    The other one is up to 5,119,834. So that's 10 to 1 against.

    The problem with Leave is they can't agree what Leave means, there are at least half a dozen versions of Leave while everyone understands what Remain means.

    Gove has said that after Brexit he will cut tariffs on beef and poultry by half, butter by two thirds, cheese and pork by three quarters with no tariffs on fruit, cereals and eggs.

    Great news for UK consumers who will still have cheap food but for UK farmers its literally a death sentence. The value of their product will make almost all farms completely unsustainable and according to "The Agri Brigade" column in Private Eye by "Muck Spreader" agriculture has the highest suicide rate of any industry In the UK (1 per week).
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Aslef, I admire your restraint. :ok:
  • imagelostimagelost
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    imagelost said:

    I just signed a petition to leave EU with no deal by 29 March
    At present 512k

    The other one is up to 5,119,834. So that's 10 to 1 against.

    The problem with Leave is they can't agree what Leave means, there are at least half a dozen versions of Leave while everyone understands what Remain means.

    Gove has said that after Brexit he will cut tariffs on beef and poultry by half, butter by two thirds, cheese and pork by three quarters with no tariffs on fruit, cereals and eggs.

    Great news for UK consumers who will still have cheap food but for UK farmers its literally a death sentence. The value of their product will make almost all farms completely unsustainable and according to "The Agri Brigade" column in Private Eye by "Muck Spreader" agriculture has the highest suicide rate of any industry In the UK (1 per week).
    Thanks for your input,,, but is a lot scaremongering,, ?
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Not as much scaremongering as the poster of Farage in front of a mass of people allegedly on the way to the UK or Esther McVey's claim that "After 2020, all EU members will have to adopt the euro.”

  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    Don't trust Gove. Full stop.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    imagelost said:


    Thanks for your input,,, but is a lot scaremongering,, ?

    I'm interested to think what will happen to UK farmers when tariffs on imported beef and poultry are cut in half, butter by two thirds, cheese and pork by three quarters with no tariffs on fruit, cereals and eggs.

    Unless you are saying that Gove is lying and he WON'T be cutting these tariffs?

  • imagelostimagelost
    What I find really disgusting ” in my view”
    Is David cam—wrongen started this and then bolted,,, he should be ,,, not sure ,,, but should stop it happening again
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    The last feedback I got via my obscure relative who works at the EU commission is that plans and talks for the EU to become a federal state are proceeding all the time. Whether we are in or out the state would be headed by Germany with France as its puppet and apart from the armed forces and finances etc a condition would be that all members adopt the euro with no vetos.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2019
    What's that got to do with with whether or not we should be a member in its current form?

    Many things could happen in the world in the future. Are we to make all our decision now based on something that hasn't happened but might?

    Are you posting it as a point of general interest, because I can't see that it has any relevance to the current situation.
  • imagelostimagelost
    edited March 2019
    MrsGrey said:

    What's that got to do with with whether or not we should be a member in its current form?

    Many things could happen in the world in the future. Are we to make all our decision now based on something that hasn't happened but might?

    Are you posting it as a point of general interest, because I can't see that it has any relevance to the current situation.

    Are you trying to stop people have political view?
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    You’ve missed the point. The post earlier ridiculed the idea of our being forced into the euro so I was merely pointing out that it isn’t ridiculous.
    Also it’s current form won’t be sustained for many more years.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2019
    1. My reading of the earlier post was that it was pointing out that the statement 'after 2020 we'll have to adopt the euro' is a lie. Which, obviously, it was when the statement was made. And it still is.

    2. Clearly things may (or may not) change. That's pure speculation. But assuming they do change in the direction of EU members being required as condition of membership to adopt the euro, how do you envisage us being 'forced' to do this. Because, you know, we can't be forced to do it - if at some as yet unspecified time in the future, the EU member states agree some new conditions on membership, then we could just leave at that point if we didn't want to comply.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Out means out in my view even if no deal is only option, we’ve had a vote the electorate chose leave and because it now doesn’t suit we want another referendum then what best of three
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2019
    imagelost said:


    Are you trying to stop people have political view?

    Erm. No. Obvsiously.
  • imagelostimagelost
    Mrs g :hug:
    Am starting to worry about this thread,,, if only it would end one way or another :biggrin:
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Cuz1 said:

    Out means out in my view even if no deal is only option, we’ve had a vote the electorate chose leave and because it now doesn’t suit we want another referendum then what best of three

    I think a lot of people made it clear they voted Brexit for different reasons. What out is means different things to different people. I don't know what the solution is but just because people voted to leave, it doesn't mean they voted for no deal and that can't be assumed.
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