The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...
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His biggest transfers that season were Ndong from LOrient (£18m) and Djilobodji from Chelsea (£8m).
At Man U he only bought Fellini (Everton) for £30m and Mata (Chelsea) for £37m
Moyes May do the job asked of him, but do we truly know the definition of success when he joined? Because if it was to keep us up and say we end up with 39-40 points it hardly qualifies as a resounding success.
All the usual suspects who hog all the jobs - Pards, Hodgson, allardyce, pulis Moyes need to make way to freshen things up.
If we are truly intent on completely rewriting our recruitment methods this should apply at managerial level not just players. I just don’t think moyes will help us kick on and I further think we will continue to look over our shoulders and hope we are clear enough of the drop zone.
I'm totally against the idea of chopping and changing managers; people knock the fact that the likes of Moyes and Allardyce keep getting jobs, but say nothing when the Ancelottis and Guardiolas of this world waltz into top jobs.
If the top clubs don't feel a need to take a chance on unproven managers, I'm not sure why we should be expected to.
Leave Moyes to get on with it for 3 years, says I.
I rest my case. ;whistle ;biggrin ;wink
Mixed amongst that we have also been thrashed/humiliated on a few occasions too. The picture re: Moyes is not really conclusive either way IMO
He plays decent football, knows how to build a squad and it mature enough to deal and understands the David’s....
I like Howe but we outplayed Bournemouth with Moyes in charge.
On Pardew the day he was announced I think I wrote on this forum that WBA we’re doomed, sacking Pulis and replacing him with Pardew was a terrible decision...
There might be a manager outside England that could do the job.
That's not to say I am particularly against Moyes staying on. ;ok
Moyes has been a good appointment so far, Billic was a poor appointment, who I doubted for the start, although I was happy to be proved wrong in his first season, there after it was normal service as far as he goes as a manager. Allardyce did a good job for us, but I think most were relieved when he left.....as for Avram......total disaster.
Moyes has done “okay” in my eyes, nothing spectacular and we’ve still suffered some terrible hidings, which showed the same problems when Slav was here. I think he’s been honest and I like that as well.
Regarding the fitness of the squad, too much is made of that for my liking, you look at any Burnley, LFC and Swansea defeat and a portion of the fan base are screaming “lazy, not fit enough!!” However after a saints game it’s “oooh that warm weather training worked out didn’t it” bottom line for me, there is normally the same amount of fitness and effort, the key factors are form and confidence, plus the lines in the PL are so fine, don’t take your chances or be clinical and you’re history.
I’d give him a 40-50m pot and see what he can do, but none of these ridiculous “is he a one season wonder” nonsense coming down from the board, back him and trust him. If not we will forever be going round in circles and not progressing too much, build something have a plan and stick to it
Just my two cents
Despite all the above, we had a good performance on Saturday and I think that we will be safe this year.
I am against swapping out managers as if we have a revolving door. My take is that any forward looking appointment of manager should go hand in hand with the appointment of director of football, they should work closely together as a team, if that means we keep DM then so be it.
Re DM, I obviously hope he does well for us and I have a healthy slice of humble pie in my pantry, I did look at it a month or so again but was able to resist temptation, absent a requirement driven by the appointment of a Director of Football, he should be given another complete season at least.
When thinking about Moyes I compare him to our last british manager, I think our style is a lot more attractive under Moyes and I think he can also bring the squad character and organisation that BFS did.
I never judge West Ham on winning, after about 5 years of supporting them I realised it was like judging a mini on 0 to 60 time... ;hmm
They were given a goal by an idiot ref that was a clear handball, even after he had a long conflab with the lino. Bring on VAR!!!!
You only have to look at managers who seem to excel in one job (look at Pardew with Newcastle and then Palace, compared to what he is doing at WBA), but completely fail to deliver in another. There are various other examples of managers who go to a club, do well, go to another club and fall short. Moyes is a prime example; fantastic success at Everton, utter failure at Sunderland, and a couple of jobs in between where he did neither (obviously, failure is the term I am using but it's not really the correct term and is subjective). Has the manager actually changed during that time? Not really. He's obviously grown and maybe developed with experience and after learning from certain things, but his credentials are still the same. A qualified football manager with experience.
But it can't just be as simple as 'change the manager, change the fortunes'. Moyes (and all managers) have a massive support team (coaches, medical staff, analysts, scouts etc), a squad of up to 25 players, a youth team, board of directors etc. It's a group effort. So as alderz (I think) alluded to, it's more getting the structure and environment correct, and appointing a manager who fits the club infrastructure.
I think you always give a manager a pre-season and then the first 12 games to see where you are going, but obviously you'd want to avoid an appointment where you have to change the manager again after those 12 games; so you're looking for an average or above average level of performance/results after that first dozen matches.
I don't think Moyes has done anything so far to suggest he can't achieve an average level of performance/results at the start of next season. I would say if we spent all season fluctuating in that 14th-11th area of the league that would be an average, with 10th-7th being above average. I think the top 6 are untouchable for now but, as Burnley have shown this year and Leicester two years ago, dare to dream a little. My main gripe is always performance. There are certain ways of playing. I wouldn't want to sit 14th-11th playing football associated with Tony Pulis, but I haven't seen that from Moyes so far. I think he sits nicely in between a Sam and a Howe.
Our status is still not confirmed, but should we survive, I would expect Moyes to remain in charge and I don't think you can argue with that and I don't think, like Sam and Bilic, him being dismissed further into the future means it was a poor appointment, it would mean a poor performance from a whole host of people associated with the club.