The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Moyes goes on a charm offensive ;biggrin
    “I’m having dinner with [former Academy Director] Tony Carr and one or two other people who have been part of the Club, so I’m building up my knowledge on West Ham and trying to become more informed.

    “I want to embrace the ex-players. We’ve had Ray Stewart and Tony Cottee down, I’ve invited Tony Gale in and I’m trying to get Frank McAvennie down from Scotland. I’ve told them they can come and watch training, as I’ve got nothing to hide, or come to a game.

    “For football clubs to flourish, they need the ex-players around it, even around the training ground. If any of the ex-players want to come in, we’re saying come down and have lunch with us.”
    Read more at http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2018/march/09-march/moyes-confirms-hart-will-start-goal-against-burnley#ZWMElhmjfRkmQ4RY.99
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited March 2018


    Charm offensive, or new transfer policy ;whistle
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Genuine question, what was the reason for replacing Tony Carr with Terry Westley, that is of course if it is actually known.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    I am guessing Tony Carr wanted to retire.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    I don't think Tony Carr wanted to retire, he was shunted upstairs when he was 63, and became an "ambassador" but when he reached 65 was offered a part time role which he rejected.

    Westley had been S&G's youth manager at Birmingham City.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Not really any better than Slav
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Could be the official end of Moyes career hopefully Everton do the same with Allardyce and we can finally see some new young blood managers in.
  • alderzalderz
    Not to be reactionary, because I felt until a few games ago that he was doing a good job, BUT after 23 games Moyes win % is 26.09%. That is the worst of any of our permanent managers. Zola had 28.75%, Roeder had 31.40%, Grant had 31.91%.

    6 wins in 23 is pretty abysmal.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    We have now had several meltdown performances too. I’m not convinced he’s one who can handle a crisis
  • alderzalderz
    Some of the decisions have been strange, IMO.

    Dropping Hernandez right as he found some form, sticking with Mario even though he has offered very little, not making subs til extremely late on in games, rarely using all three subs, not giving Hugill a sniff, bringing Evra into the side after Antonio had just given a very good performance at wing back.

    I am no longer convinced he's the long term answer, but he still has plenty of time to turn my opinion around.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    I thought Moyes was doing really well but the last three games have been bad.

    Against Liverpool, I thought we were good in the first half and eventually their quality told, so no real alarm bells.

    Swansea reminded me a lot of watching Slav’s teams crumble. Just awful.

    Today, we were playing well before they scored the first goal and didn’t deserve to be behind. I maintain we looked good enough to get back into the game before everything turned toxic.

    But I just don’t know anymore. I thought he was turning the defensive shape around, but he hasn’t. Teams keep pouring through at will and it’s despressing to watch.
  • ClaretandBlueforLifeClaretandBlueforLife
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    We have now had several meltdown performances too. I’m not convinced he’s one who can handle a crisis

    barracks,

    I’d add that i’m not sure we have the players to handle a meltdown either.
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    I still have a slice of humble pie in my pantry, I looked at longingly a few games ago but something stopped me.

    Unfortunately I doubt if I will be going near it any time soon

    ;cake
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    I'm not suggesting we sack Moyes but I would suggest his job shouldn't be dictated by whether we stay up or not. He's either a good enough manager for us next season (whatever league we are in) or he is not.

    If we are going to gofor a trendier, younger manager then I'd just go and get Silva now instead if waiting around to discuss things at the end of the season when another club has already signed him.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    It's hard to judge Moyes as there is little doubt he has brought something to us and we have achieved certain results because of the qualities instilled, yet he has also been no more consistent than Slav and we have certainly had our share of shockers under both this season.

    I think appraise at the end of the season, at present I am slightly in favour of keeping him on.
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    Moyes got a bit cocky when we were doing well, but he's never dealt well with any team losing form. His dour 'tell it like it is' approach doesn't exactly lift the spirits, and its a bit of 'The Darkest Hour' stuff needed now. ps If we're in the Champo, he's the last man I want in charge. Nobby would be a good shout, not as manager but in the support team. pps my humble pie is ready and I'll be delighted to eat it after the Everton game ;cake
  • LukerzLukerz
    claretandbluesky said:

    It's hard to judge Moyes as there is little doubt he has brought something to us and we have achieved certain results because of the qualities instilled, yet he has also been no more consistent than Slav and we have certainly had our share of shockers under both this season.

    I think appraise at the end of the season, at present I am slightly in favour of keeping him on.

    Almost like the issue is the quality and depth of the squad... ;hmm
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    they had a Jan window to help Moyes out with and refused to.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.
  • LukerzLukerz
    MrsGrey said:

    If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.

    Of course, signing those players and signing players who are any good are two different things.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    They signed a striker.....really
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    They signed a defender....really?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Chortle chortle, most hilarious.

    I was replying to yeold's statement that they 'refused' to help Moyes out in the summer window. A statement which is clearly false.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    MrsGrey said:

    If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.

    a past it defender whilst selling our other CB that offers Nothing
    a striker that cannot get off the bench
    an up and down midfield player ?

  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Oh, sorry. I had my telepathy turned off when I read and responded to your earlier comment. ;ok
  • alderzalderz
    MrsGrey said:

    If only they'd signed a defender, a midfielder and a forward.

    But what was the point in signing Hugill, and did it improve us at all? He's been available for 450 minutes of football since signing, and he has played 12. That's 2.7% of available minutes that he's played for us. He replaced Sakho, who played 293 of the 1620 minutes he was available, 18%. So basically, we replaced a guy who never played with someone who plays even less.

    Mario for Ayew is probably an improvement given his form for us, but Evra definitely hasn't improved us.

    Loaning out Reece Burke AND selling Jose Fonte was daft, given our lack of other options.

    Personally, I feel that we have a weaker squad now than we did before the transfer window
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Yea 12 minutes is a joke...and you can inly assume he wasnt a moyes signing...or he would be playing

    Evra was a panic buy given Masuakas suspension

    There is no point of him

    Mario was the only signing id say Moyes actually wanted and while he hasnt done awfully he looks too lightweight for this league

    Awful January window
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Sold a striker to a rival

    Sold possibly the best finishing striker at the club

    Sold a 4th CB when we’ve been using a 3 CB system quite a bit - plus did anyone look at our problematic defender injury history?

    Said there would be no more over 30 something’s and sign Evra 36

    Absolute shambles, they’re all to blame
  • alderzalderz
    Individually, I don't disagree with selling any of the people we sold. Ayew was poor for us and clearly didn't fit in. Fonte was way past his best and we were being offered money for someone who wouldn't be in our first team and had been out for months. Sakho never had his head on right. Burke needed first team football, and Oxford wanted to back to BMG. All of that individually makes sense.

    But as a collective it is not good or smart business.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    agree Alderz

    Selling Sakho needed to be done
    Selling Ayew yes but no in January ! in Summer and certainly not to a relegation rival !
    Selling Fonte needed to be done


    But if we want to progress as a club we need Better than these guys Hugill and Evra are no better than the guys who left.
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