The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

Huttonhammer

I think Mr Moyes has done better than expected since joining and has carried himself much better than he did at Sunderland , Man utd etc when being interviewed and in his general demeanour.
He was given a very tough job at probably the worst run club in the Premier league and whatever happens to us at the end of the season I wouldn’t hold him responsible at all.
There is a horrible undercurrent surrounding this club but that is not of our managers doing it is down to our board.

claretandbluesky

I agree, I think he has done the best he could given the circumstances, I think players are producing better performances individually and are collectively better organised. I especially like how he speaks as he doesn't provide spin and doesn't over react.

I hope he is on a whopping bonus to keep us up and I hope he gets it, for our sake and for himself.

alderz

As some of you know, I keep an Excel workbook with a load of West Ham stuff in, just cos I'm a cool guy.

This is a screenshot of our league points for this season vs last. The vertical line shows the point that Moyes was appointed (12th game). What I found interesting when looking at this, was that we were in an almost identical situation last season as this when we made a managerial change (11pts last year, 9pts this).

Then, after 15 games, we started to pick up form, and over the Autumn / Winter period we effectively saved our season. Last year, after 15 games we had 13pts, and after 27 games we had 33. This year, after 15 games we had 10pts, and after 27 games we have 30.

We then picked up 12pts in our remaining 11 games.



So, bearing this in mind, and given the fact that two different managers have presided over an upturn in form in the middle section of the season, in successive seasons, with largely the same players, could it be that the players application and form has improved when we have fallen into dire straights, table wise? What impact has a change in manager actually had? And would we have seen a similar upturn in points had Slaven Bilic remained in charge?

imagelost

Don’t think so alderz, our fitness was was joke,,, I suspect the only place we was going,was down,,;doc Moyes has saved our season

OldCastleSwift

Obviously we'll never know, but I suspect not. We looked utterly lost under Slav at the end, whereas under Moyes it looks like we have a plan and an identity, at least.

alderz

For the record, I'm not saying whether or not I think that is the case. I am just showing the similarities in our seasons, and demonstrating that the manager last year managed to turn things around at the exact point that the manager this year has managed to.

FWIW, my opinion is that Bilic would have hit a purple patch and would have improved us. However, I believe that the football under Moyes this season has been far more entertaining than under Bilic last season, and I feel more confident in our long term future with Moyes at the helm than I did with Bilic. I believe that we have a better chance of not repeating the same poor start next year should Moyes be in charge, than had we kept Slav.

Lukerz

Alderz ;ok good work

I think what it might point to is perhaps more emphasis needs to be put onto pre-season this coming campaign. It seems we have been slow out the traps the past two seasons.

MrsGrey

alderz ;cool

SuzanneClaret

#StatGod ;bowdown

ianbishoplegend

Although we picked up points under Bilic, I feel Moyes has actually got much more from players than Bilic ever did. Ogbonna, Masuaku, Arnie, Hernandez, Creswell, Adrian are all
Performing on a different level. Could also say that Lanzinis Huddersfield display was one of his best. Bilic was very good at isolating players, even Payet was poor in his second season stuck out in the left with no imagination. I felt like Bilic planning and application was very lazy at times. So was Moyes at Brighton etc, but he seems to have a much sharper learning curve than Bilic

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Think last season was a little bit different imo, mostly because of how bad Sunderland, Boro and Hull were and we one against each of them once. Also we seemed to pick up our points in groups, remember picking up 3 wins on the trot around Christmas and 9 points out of 12 at the end of Jan/feb

Also I remember a lot of the wins under Bilic were less than convincing and very rarely did I think we were unlucky or played well like we have under Moyes

I also think that the constant relegation battling took a lot out of Bilic, he just looked like a man beaten this year whereas last year he at least seemed strong mentally

He may has succeeded but personally think it wasn't going to turn around anytime soon

MarkNobleLocalHero

Under Bilic this season points per game = 0.8 compared with Moyes 1.3

Under Bilic this season win % 18.2 compared with Moyes 31.3

IMO no comparison

alderz

MNLH

20 points in the 12 middle games of the season both years? That's the point of comparison I was making. It's obvious Moyes has done better than Bilic did at the start of the season.

Cuz1

And another plus for me is under Bilic arnie was a complete waste of space and money where as Moyes as helped turn him into a world beater and a consistent one at that imo

ianbishoplegend

I always thought Bilic transfer policy was lazy also; anyone that had a good game against us!

grey_til_I_dye

Bilic brought us Manu, Payet and Arnie, amongst others.

ianbishoplegend

His first season was great, he had a list from scouts from his other teams. His second and third were terrible. I don’t count Arnautovic, as he didn’t know how to play or manage him...similar Hernandez.

grey_til_I_dye

Well, if you are going to pick'n'mix to suit your argument, then there's nothing to discuss

imagelost

grey_til_I_dye said:

Bilic brought us Manu, Payet and Arnie, amongst others.

Prove it

grey_til_I_dye

Well, that's me stumped... ;puzzled

MrsGrey

Maybe we'll wake up and find it was all a dream. ;nonono

ianbishoplegend

I really want Moyes here next season. Priority. Number one for me.

imagelost

imagelost said:

grey_til_I_dye said:

Bilic brought us Manu, Payet and Arnie, amongst others.

Prove it

What I mean is whom
Bilic ?
Sully
Gold
Young jack
A N other
K Brady
I am just saying round pegs square holes,
It just seems late in day
The payet was great But who got him to sign

grey_til_I_dye

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For me, you either give the manager 100% of the blame and credit for transfers, or you don't give any.

I don't think it is reasonable to pick and choose.

MrsGrey

Also, if you are trying to compare managers' records, you have to assume that they each 'signed' the players recruited on their watch. Otherwise.. well, any comparison is just impossible.

imagelost

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grey_til_I_dye said:

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For me, you either give the manager 100% of the blame and credit for transfers, or you don't give any.

I don't think it is reasonable to pick and choose.

With respect grey
Whom done what with whom, sign who?
Dave Moyes is here, I Dreaded him, I know have a lot faith in DM
You could ask “ would payet stayed with Moyes as manger “
?

OldCastleSwift

Sully has said that he hopes Moyes will be our manager for years to come. You would have to assume that if Moyes is happy here - and it sounds like he is - that he'll get the two year extension (barring relegation).

Cuz1

Me personally believe he will be offered a contract but he will turn it down, I hope he stays but in my tea leaves I think he will decide to go

alderz

I'm 90% there was an interview on the OS when Payet joined where Bilic said that Payet was his number 1 target, and there were subsequent interviews where Payet said Bilic was like a father to him.

If the question is "would Payet have stayed with Moyes in charge" the answer is almost certainly no, because he wanted to go back to Marseille.

imagelost

alderz said:

I'm 90% there was an interview on the OS when Payet joined where Bilic said that Payet was his number 1 target, and there were subsequent interviews where Payet said Bilic was like a father to him.

If the question is "would Payet have stayed with Moyes in charge" the answer is almost certainly no, because he wanted to go back to Marseille.

Excellent answer ;bowdown