The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

grey_til_I_dye

Expat

Yes.

Bring proper kit, or you'll have to do it in your pants.

IronHerb

;lol

Takes me back.

Trondheimrob

And lose a house point

claretandbluesky

I think it's worth recognising that in these times when the board are coming under attack, and quite deservedly on so many points, that we actually have them to thank for a decisive appointment in Moyes, which went against the view of the majority (myself certainly included) of fans. It does take some courage to make those calls and with so many suggesting we should now sign him up and let him build a team it's quite possibly a credit where credit is due moment.

imagelost

c&b yes very pleased it’s worked out for us
The fear was, going like Sunderland and that Spanish team,
The board for a ;clap for gamble” or know what there do doing” ;clap
Or Dave Moyes well done “ Dave Moyes”
;clap well done,, pulling team together and a plan ;clap

ASLEFshrugged

claretandbluesky said:

I think it's worth recognising that in these times when the board are coming under attack, and quite deservedly on so many points, that we actually have them to thank for a decisive appointment in Moyes

Sorry to disagree but its not as if the board had a great deal of choice, we didn't have top class managers falling over themselves in a race to replace Bilic, pretty much the same situation as when Bilic replaced Big Sam.

We just got lucky in that Moyes happened to be without a club at a time when we needed a manager

Pearces_Left_Foot

Don't see what luck has to do with it, they employed the best man available at the time, you could say they were unlucky a lot of the signings have been rubbish but that would n't be true either.They get plenty of things wrong but on this occasion they have got something right.

buffybegood

Pearces_Left_Foot said:

Don't see what luck has to do with it, they employed the best man available at the time

The best man that was available for free

Pearces_Left_Foot

We needed someone straight away so available meant" not employed" as he was free seems even better than if we had shed out millions breaking his contract. We could of gone the Everton route and try and get another teams manager and ended up with Big Sam again ;lol

alderz

People act like the owners just needed to click their fingers and offer a bag of money and other clubs would have been booting their successful manager out of the door, but it isn't that easy.

Everton spent a month trying to coax a manager away from another club, and had a pretty terrible time under David Unsworth (with an exception ;doh ), and still ended up with a free.

OldCastleSwift

ASLEF, Buffy ;ok

Not intended to knock the board, but if Moyes was employed elsewhere I don't think we'd have pursued him, so I don't believe he was our top choice.

He was arguably our top choice of a) what was available and b) who was prepared to come to us.

Can't help but feel they lucked into Moyes somewhat.

Just my opinion, mind ;ok

ASLEFshrugged

I don't think I'm alone in suspecting that the manager they really want is Benitez so Moyes was second or even third choice if the reports that we approached Ancelotti are to be believed

Bilic wasn't first choice either

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Almost everybody employs a manager currently out of work.

Vorselaarhammer

Pep, Jose were both frees...

OldCastleSwift

They do Jorderz, which suggests to me that clubs rarely appoint the manager they really want, particuarly mid-season.

Which is why I think we lucked into Moyes rather than it being a masterstroke by the board.

Moyes was available in the summer, but they stuck with Bilic. That to me suggests that Moyes wasn't on their radar until Bilic's meltdown forced their hand to act.

OldCastleSwift

alderz said:

People act like the owners just needed to click their fingers and offer a bag of money and other clubs would have been booting their successful manager out of the door, but it isn't that easy.

I don't think anyone is suggesting it is ;hmm

Pretty much all of the clubs that have sacked their manager this season have ended up with underwhelming replacements. I just happen to think we got the best of that underwhelming bunch.

IronHerb

So what 'overwhelming' manager were you expecting to pick up?

OldCastleSwift

IronHerb said:

So what 'overwhelming' manager were you expecting to pick up?

I wasn't.

And I'm not sure where you think I suggested that I was ;hmm

My point is that Moyes, Lambert, Allardyce, Pardew et al would not have been people's first choice of manager. The main reason they got their respective jobs is because they were available rather than their actual ability, IMO.

When we sacked Bilic, I wasn't claiming we should be targetting Guardiola, or Conte, or Ancelotti, or any other 'overwhelming' manager because I knew they weren't realistic.

Moyes was the best of what was available and, with hindsight, I'm glad we've got him; I just don't think that the board acted out of courage or a belief that Moyes was the man for us (the six month contract alone implies they themselves had considerable doubt), but more out of necessity.

Pearces_Left_Foot

I think Moyes has exceeded many peoples expectations (which were quite low), he got a good back room team , got the players fitter than have been for a long time and instilled belief back into the team. He seems to be enjoying life at West Ham and seems like the Moyes of Everton rather than the Moyes of Sunderland. If he can get the transfers sorted which seems to be happening I think we could have a v good manager on our hands.

OldCastleSwift

PLF, absolutely agree with that ;ok

Vorselaarhammer

Interesting interview on the OS with one the coaches, gives some insight into how Moyes runs things.

http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2018/february/13-february/billy-mckinlay-coach-all-seasons

alderz

OldCastleSwift said:

Moyes was the best of what was available and, with hindsight, I'm glad we've got him; I just don't think that the board acted out of courage or a belief that Moyes was the man for us (the six month contract alone implies they themselves had considerable doubt), but more out of necessity.

I think that they deserve credit for changing manager. You can say it's an act of necessity, and I do agree with that to an extent, but they don't sack managers mid season, it's not something they've ever done (I think it was once with Birmingham?). If it was a 'necessity' to do so this year, then it was even more so the year Avram Grant was in charge. According to some it was a necessity at a similar stage last season to sack Bilic, but they didn't. Based on the fact they don't do it, and the fact they made the call, I think it's fair to call it an act of courage (with a given value of courage).

Separately, and I may be inventing this so I'll happily be corrected, but I am sure we have been linked with Moyes on a few occasions since the Dave's bought the club. If that's the case, could it be argued that actually the have got their long term target?

OldCastleSwift

If they'd got their long term target, I doubt they'd have given him a six-month contract.

alderz

OCS

Personally, I think they are hedging their bets. I think when he came in they were still worried about relegation, and they thought that they didn't want to pay out to someone if they went down.

I think it's perfectly conceivable that the plan is to have Moyes in charge for years, but that both parties wanted the flexibility of a break clause at the end of the season.

Also, what's to say that the owners didn't sit down and say "we want to give you a 3 year deal" but Moyes wanted a shorter term? He didn't want to manage Sunderland in the Championship, and he's also frequently reminded of how well his long term contract with ManUtd turned out. Isn't it possible that he was the one who wanted it shorter?

ASLEFshrugged

alderz - I think both parties had reasons to be cautious about a long term deal so they agreed to give it a six months trial period and see how it went

Cuz1

In a way Moyes was in a win win situation if we were relegated he could say it’s the club and owners and if he keeps us up is reputation goes back up and other clubs want him, I personally didn’t want him but think he’s earned a contract, just not sure he will want it but hope I’m wrong

OldCastleSwift

It's certainly possible Alderz, but I still don't think that the board considered Moyes their No1 target. My personal opinion is that he was considered a means to an end in keeping us up, after which point we would look elsewhere (Benitez or Silva).

As it's transpired, Moyes is proving himself very capable and increasingly popular so I fully expect them to give him a longer contract in the summer.

secrethammersfan

"Listen, we'd like it if you'd manage us. We know we're down the wrong end of the table, so we understand if you don't want a long-term contract"
"Yeah, I understand. You don't want to sign me up for five years and then have me take you into the Championship in five months!"
"Right! How about we agree to see how it goes this season, and then we'll sit down in the summer and talk long-term?"
"Sounds good to me!"

This version does not allow for the assumption that the Board are cheapskates, incompetent, weak, conniving or reluctant to sign Moyes, or that Moyes doesn't want to sign, hates West Ham, is the second choice, or wants to leave in the summer, and so is useless to this forum.

I agree that I don't know what I'm talking about, and apologise for this post in advance, and agree with any statement anybody wishes to make following this.

buffybegood

secrethammersfan said:

This version does not allow for the assumption that the Board are cheapskates, incompetent, weak, conniving or reluctant to sign Moyes,

Not sure why it doesn't allow that assumption at all; I think you could be spot on with the dialogue but I still think the board are cheapskates, incompetent, weak and conniving.

alderz

I don't really know what my theory is on how they came to the agreement they did, and I guess it doesn't really matter what I think went on, because I won't ever get a confirmation anyway.

IMO it's only fair to give the owners credit for a good decision. They appointed someone who is doing a good job. My own feeling on the owners doesn't really impact upon that.