Academy and Development Squad Developments 2017-18

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  • IronHerbIronHerb
    ;clap
  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    ;scarf
  • stevesteve
    ;wahoo
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Play them all on Sunday ;wahoo
  • HamstewHamstew
    Martinez needs to learn how to fly and shoot loganberries from his nipples before he gets a chance.
  • alderzalderz
    I'm fairly sure that Martinez can't play because his loan was "to the end of the season", which makes him ineligible for us.

    Also, yes, he has potential, BUT if there was another player in League Two who had scored 1 goal in 15 appearances we would be unlikely to be saying that he is someone we want in our first team.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    alderz, I wish I could 'like' your post more than once.
  • HamstewHamstew
    Kind of expected someone to say something like this and yes that’s fair enough. However although he hasn’t scored that many goals his overall performance have been good apparently. Also no one can tell me that League one football is anything like Premiership football. Same goes for Cullen. All I’m saying is the boy should get a chance. The same chance Calleri is getting for whatever reason.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Team Ham on this one. We've nothing to lose and I don't think Martinez can be any worse than Calleri. Nothing riding on Sunday other than a few million quid so what better time to give Rice, Holland and Martinez some first team experience.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Martinez can't play and Holland was subbed off injured last night.
  • HamstewHamstew
    ;ok unfortunately though as Alderz says I don't think he is able to play due to his loan. Shouldn't have gone out in the first place maybe.
  • alderzalderz
    I'm not saying he SHOULDNT get a chance, I'm just saying he hasn't done anything to suggest that Slav has made an error in not giving him a chance already.

    I think he will be a better player for his loan spell, and I hope he shows in preseason that maybe we don't need to buy 3 new strikers and he can take the space of one of those.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Does that apply to Samuelsen too, then? ;hmm
  • HamstewHamstew
    edited May 2017
    The error in my opinion was to send the boy out on loan when we had a striker crisis meaning we had to play Calleri and trying to buy players like Scott Hogan
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Big step up for kids, the development squad isn't close to competitive football and the loan probably did him a world of good

    He has preseason to impress, it's on him to show he's at the level of our current crop and he can do it against premier league defenders not other kids
  • HamstewHamstew
    But there are other kids in the prem.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Saying he is not ready and should not be given a chance because his goals record at his loan club is not great is a bit of kop out IMO. How do we know how much service he had, for example, at his loan club.
  • alderzalderz
    OldCastleSwift said:

    Does that apply to Samuelsen too, then? ;hmm

    Yeah it does. To me, Samuelsen is very far from being ready. Not being able to make an impact at either Peterborough or Blackburn this season isn't a good sign, IMO.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited May 2017
    baracks, so isn't that an argument for finding out, before saying he should be given a chance. Maybe he's had loads of service...

    #worksbothways
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Sounds promising: “Declan Rice is an immense captain and an immense leader and he’s going to have a huge future in the game, that I am sure about. He is possibly the best player in this league this year.

    “Every single game the opposition talk about him, scouts talk about him, managers ring about taking him on loan; he’s had an absolutely outstanding season and you can tell how tired he was at the end. He gives everything all of the time, he’s a proper captain and a proper leader.


    Read more at http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2017/may/16-may/westley-its-been-outstanding-season#xbwyTBE8SEatLsUz.99
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    edited May 2017
    Hamstew said:

    But there are other kids in the prem.

    And there are even more kids not in the prem
  • HamstewHamstew
    I know there are
  • HamstewHamstew
    Genuine question. Did Calleri get any game time for the U23’s? I seem to remember him and fletcher playing for them?
  • alderzalderz
    I don't think it is a cop out at all, tbh. When Jermain Defoe went out on loan to Bournemouth he was 18 and he scored 18 league goals in 29 games. I'm not saying that Martinez should have to have the same record to prove anything, but IMO it shows that there are some players that prove they are ready, and some who still have to prove it.
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    Hamstew said:

    Genuine question. Did Calleri get any game time for the U23’s? I seem to remember him and fletcher playing for them?

    Yep. They've both played some games for them. Think Fletcher scored a couple of times
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    alderz said:

    OldCastleSwift said:

    Does that apply to Samuelsen too, then? ;hmm

    Yeah it does. To me, Samuelsen is very far from being ready. Not being able to make an impact at either Peterborough or Blackburn this season isn't a good sign, IMO.
    Sorry Alderz, my question was in terms of whether he wouldn't be available for Sunday as he's been on loan, not whether he was ready for the first team (my comment appeared later than I had intended it to)
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Calleri played twice with the U23s, v West Brom 31/10 and v Blackburn 21/11, he crossed for Fletcher to score in the first and crossed for Fletcher to play back for Samuelson's goal in the second (which pretty much sums him up)

    Fletcher played 10 games with the U23s, scored 3
  • alderzalderz
    OCS ;ok

    Ah ok, in that case, yes I believe so. As far as I can work out from the rules, neither would be available, nor would Burke.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    edited May 2017
    When does a season long loan end, when your season is finished or the club you loan to season has finished.
  • alderzalderz
    thorn

    It was unclear in the handbook (and it was a few weeks ago that I read it), but it seems that the date of the final game is irrelevant. The season runs to the end of May, essentially.
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