The nasty undercurrent is among some of the fans, imo.
Sorry but the club most certainly isn't "fine"
A boss who doesn't have more than this season on his contract, we've all seen how that ends. A senior player who is throwing another strop, hasn't trained and did another clubs medical A board member who then says above player isn't being sold A board who right now for whatever reason are at 14m net spend for the summer window, one of the lowest in the PL Took over a month to as yet not get their number one target, whether it was fee or down payment they've done it
Also and these are just personal observations of some things they could've done a bit better -
Can't even lay on coaches for fans caused to go away to cheltenham because of our stadium, yet MUFC are paying for their away fans Visa's to Russia
While Spurs fans got great season ticket packs this season ours didn't even get a holder.
Believe me, not everything is "fine", just my opinion and yes I know there are many who would moan about anything
No, I'm highlighting what other clubs are doing for their fanbase.....which isn't all about taking money all the time and instead giving something back and acknowledging their loyalty
The fact they couldn't even supply a holder is a basic part of being a ST holder in this day and age of electronic entry
Players throwing a strop ... not training, wanting out... like at Chelsea, Arsenal and Southampton? It's something that happens from time to time. At all clubs.
Taking ages to get (or failing to get) their target? I give you.... Manchester City.
No, I'm highlighting what other clubs are doing for their fanbase.....which isn't all about taking money all the time and instead giving something back and acknowledging their loyalty
The fact they couldn't even supply a holder is a basic part of being a ST holder in this day and age of electronic entry
But keep mocking
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I'm not mocking, I just think that to call a club 'in trouble' or 'not fine' you need something a bit more major than that.
Spurs gave their fans a plastic wallet to hold their season ticket. How much did said season ticket cost? Did they keep the costs the same for those renewing from last year?
There are various things clubs can do to reward loyalty. Maybe we should have a poll and see if our season-ticket holders would have preferred a plastic wallet instead of a freezing of ticket process ;hmm
The club also subsidises coach travel for the away fans to every match.
I think that selecting 3 things the club didn't do, and ignoring the things they do do, doesn't make for a very convincing case that they are all about 'taking money all the time' and not 'giving something back'.
It's okay you can be negative about the owners and manager when it's justified and praise them the same
I am really irritated by your comment which implies (same old rubbish, it's not the first time) that I never criticise the club. You know very well that I criticise when I feel it's justified.
If the best you can offer in response to my points and opinions is 'well you would say that wouldn't you' then there's no point talking to you.
Fair play Mrs G, ignore each other's comments then. I suggest you don't put a laughing smiley and appear to mock someone questions what our club are doing compared to others when it comes to giving a little bit back.Spurs didn't just give a wallet, I was highlighting that as the least we could do, they gave a DVD, grass from white Hart lane, I think a scarf as well.
And these are facts by the way, regarding what other clubs are doing not twitter or any other rumours.
Sakho problems have been well documented, from his injuries, personal life or spats with players and manager, if you choose not to believe any of them that's okay
I'm sure you know that I wasn't suggesting that 'everything' is fine.
My overall feeling is that those who call the club a circus, and those who call the board clowns, are vastly overreacting. I also think that, given time, Slav will sort things out (although that could just be my optimism in overdrive...)
I like the owners, I like what they have tried to do for us, and feel that without them we could easily have been in a far worse position than we currently are.
It isn't necessary for you to remind anyone that it is 'OK' to be negative.
A brief flick through this thread would confirm that lots of people get that.
Personally, I don't share the desire, or experience the need, to slam the board or the manager, or the players, or indeed anyone associated with the club.
I'll remove the ambiguous smiley - it wasn't intended as mocking you ;ok
My reference to rumours was Sakho, not the various 'incentives' that clubs do or don't offer. As I say, clubs do different things - I don't think you can argue that West ham does nothing. It's just not factually accurate.
With regards to Sakho ... depends what you mean by 'well documented;. If you mean there have been stories and rumours and speculation, yes - lots. My point rather is that we have no way of knowing how true or accurate or 'the full story' that 'documenting' is. One example - the allegations of assault. Lots of lurid coverage ... turned out to be nothing.
Fans support a club but not all are behind the decisions made by the club and what happens at a club. My view is that the two Davids are trying to take the club forwards and the manager is a very decent man who is trying his best. We have good players and have bought some good players recently . What has been going on on the pitch has not been very good for a while. Especially this season so far. That is why I say things cannot be as good behind the scenes as there are and have been a number of players who are unhappy and are not performing.
Spurs didn't just give a wallet, I was highlighting that as the least we could do, they gave a DVD, grass from white Hart lane, I think a scarf as well.
Look, I'm not intending to go into all the different things the club does for the fans, compared to Spurs (or any other club) to try to 'prove' that one is better than the other. That would be pointless and, in any case, impossible - it's always matter of opinion, depending on what sort of incentives each person most appreciated.
But before you slag off the club for not doing 'the bare minimum', have you actually looked to see what they do do?
Spurs gave some St holders some grass from White Hart lane in a keyring.
West Ham paid for new commemorative stones for all those fans who had commemorative bricks at the Boleyn Ground.
Fans support a club but not all are behind the decisions made by the club and what happens at a club. My view is that the two Davids are trying to take the club forwards and the manager is a very decent man who is trying his best. We have good players and have bought some good players recently . What has been going on on the pitch has not been very good for a while. Especially this season so far.
I'd have no hesitation in agreeing with all of that.
Spurs didn't just give a wallet, I was highlighting that as the least we could do, they gave a DVD, grass from white Hart lane, I think a scarf as well.
Look, I'm not intending to go into all the different things the club does for the fans, compared to Spurs (or any other club) to try to 'prove' that one is better than the other. That would be pointless and, in any case, impossible - it's always matter of opinion, depending on what sort of incentives each person most appreciated.
But before you slag off the club for not doing 'the bare minimum', have you actually looked to see what they do do?
Spurs gave some St holders some grass from White Hart lane in a keyring.
West Ham paid for new commemorative stones for all those fans who had commemorative bricks at the Boleyn Ground.
I'm not going to go on ...
If you're not going to go on then don't, my gripe is simply we seemed to of stopped doing the basics in comparison to other clubs. It wasn't just some grass, there was plenty of other stuff, it makes a difference to fans if you ask me
I'm sure you know that I wasn't suggesting that 'everything' is fine.
My overall feeling is that those who call the club a circus, and those who call the board clowns, are vastly overreacting. I also think that, given time, Slav will sort things out (although that could just be my optimism in overdrive...)
I like the owners, I like what they have tried to do for us, and feel that without them we could easily have been in a far worse position than we currently are.
It isn't necessary for you to remind anyone that it is 'OK' to be negative.
Gman I can only go off what you typed, you weren't specific on what wasn't fine.
The circus piece was a joke I thought that was obvious and just a touch of irony right now based on Nobles comments
I have little problem with the manager and I'm not about to start slagging him off 3 games into a new season, never ever been my style and never will be.
I don't necessarily dislike the owners, but they annoy and frustrate me with their methods and I agree nobody knows what could've happened without them
Lots of rumours yesterday so it's impossible to know the truth regarding Sakho. He was originally quoted as saying he wants to go so he can play regular first team football. It then became 'personal problems' and had nothing to do with problems.
My gut feeling is that there's a personality clash with Bilic.
I'm increasingly confident that Benitez will be our next manager, be it next season when Slav's contract is up, or sooner if we don't get a win in the next three
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A boss who doesn't have more than this season on his contract, we've all seen how that ends.
A senior player who is throwing another strop, hasn't trained and did another clubs medical
A board member who then says above player isn't being sold
A board who right now for whatever reason are at 14m net spend for the summer window, one of the lowest in the PL
Took over a month to as yet not get their number one target, whether it was fee or down payment they've done it
Also and these are just personal observations of some things they could've done a bit better -
Can't even lay on coaches for fans caused to go away to cheltenham because of our stadium, yet MUFC are paying for their away fans Visa's to Russia
While Spurs fans got great season ticket packs this season ours didn't even get a holder.
Believe me, not everything is "fine", just my opinion and yes I know there are many who would moan about anything
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The fact they couldn't even supply a holder is a basic part of being a ST holder in this day and age of electronic entry
But keep mocking
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It's something that happens from time to time. At all clubs.
Taking ages to get (or failing to get) their target? I give you.... Manchester City.
It happens to the best of clubs.
Does anyone have a list or is it too long to remember
MCFC have a good enough squad that they don't have to worry as much about landing a single target, we don't have that luxury
It's okay you can be negative about the owners and manager when it's justified and praise them the same
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Spurs gave their fans a plastic wallet to hold their season ticket. How much did said season ticket cost? Did they keep the costs the same for those renewing from last year?
There are various things clubs can do to reward loyalty. Maybe we should have a poll and see if our season-ticket holders would have preferred a plastic wallet instead of a freezing of ticket process ;hmm
The club also subsidises coach travel for the away fans to every match.
I think that selecting 3 things the club didn't do, and ignoring the things they do do, doesn't make for a very convincing case that they are all about 'taking money all the time' and not 'giving something back'.
I am really irritated by your comment which implies (same old rubbish, it's not the first time) that I never criticise the club. You know very well that I criticise when I feel it's justified.
If the best you can offer in response to my points and opinions is 'well you would say that wouldn't you' then there's no point talking to you.
And these are facts by the way, regarding what other clubs are doing not twitter or any other rumours.
Sakho problems have been well documented, from his injuries, personal life or spats with players and manager, if you choose not to believe any of them that's okay
Let's agree to disagree
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I'm sure you know that I wasn't suggesting that 'everything' is fine.
My overall feeling is that those who call the club a circus, and those who call the board clowns, are vastly overreacting. I also think that, given time, Slav will sort things out (although that could just be my optimism in overdrive...)
I like the owners, I like what they have tried to do for us, and feel that without them we could easily have been in a far worse position than we currently are.
It isn't necessary for you to remind anyone that it is 'OK' to be negative.
A brief flick through this thread would confirm that lots of people get that.
Personally, I don't share the desire, or experience the need, to slam the board or the manager, or the players, or indeed anyone associated with the club.
My reference to rumours was Sakho, not the various 'incentives' that clubs do or don't offer. As I say, clubs do different things - I don't think you can argue that West ham does nothing. It's just not factually accurate.
With regards to Sakho ... depends what you mean by 'well documented;. If you mean there have been stories and rumours and speculation, yes - lots. My point rather is that we have no way of knowing how true or accurate or 'the full story' that 'documenting' is. One example - the allegations of assault. Lots of lurid coverage ... turned out to be nothing.
My view is that the two Davids are trying to take the club forwards and the manager is a very decent man who is trying his best. We have good players and have bought some good players recently .
What has been going on on the pitch has not been very good for a while. Especially this season so far.
That is why I say things cannot be as good behind the scenes as there are and have been a number of players who are unhappy and are not performing.
But before you slag off the club for not doing 'the bare minimum', have you actually looked to see what they do do?
Spurs gave some St holders some grass from White Hart lane in a keyring.
West Ham paid for new commemorative stones for all those fans who had commemorative bricks at the Boleyn Ground.
I'm not going to go on ...
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The circus piece was a joke I thought that was obvious and just a touch of irony right now based on Nobles comments
I have little problem with the manager and I'm not about to start slagging him off 3 games into a new season, never ever been my style and never will be.
I don't necessarily dislike the owners, but they annoy and frustrate me with their methods and I agree nobody knows what could've happened without them
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My gut feeling is that there's a personality clash with Bilic.
I do think he is a very good striker when fit, and could make an excellent pairing with Hernandez. His attitude however is just not right.
Slav has got a job on his hands trying to make this work, better hope he does as an injury to Hernandez and we're in real trouble.
All we can do now is support and back the lot of em and hope it comes out the right way up
Rumours.