Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

NEoldiron

Can't see it myself; from that Grundian article it seems that all the things that would cause Benitez to quit Newcastle are similar to what we seem to be guilty of.

baracks_a_hammer

The difference is, the daves will tempt him with the lure of top quality signings and then for one reason or another they won't be signed. Whereas mike Ashley will just flat out say he hasn't got the cash

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Top top managers will find it very hard to work for the likes of Ashley/SuGo

Imo

grey_til_I_dye

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Top top managers will find it very hard to work for the likes of Ashley/SuGo will only work for clubs that can spend ridiculous amounts of money

Imo

Fixed it for ya! ;ok ;wink

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

;lol

That's another way of looking at it....

I would love to see a really BIG name come to us just to see how it panned out, whether the owners may act differently and just the dynamic....

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I think Benitez will be our next manager and I'd be happy if it was sooner rather than later.

SuzanneClaret

I'd rather he wasn't at any time.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Can't say I have anything against Benitez, but he's nearly always had a war chest.

Not sure that's a fit with us right now

baracks_a_hammer

Having thought about the events of the last couple of days and the club statement etc, I am of the view that it would have been far kinder and fairer for the daves to have just called it a day with Slav straight after the Newcastle game.

Instead Slav's fate appears to be "death by a thousand cuts" - regardless of how one rates his abilities, he is no way deserving of that sort of treatment by his employers.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

It's the way they work.....

If he gets a couple of wins they'll shout it was never in doubt and always backed him

If he loses the next few they'll say that they had no choice but too cut him loose even though they did all they could for him and supported him, getting all his top targets (but messing around with the most important one - that was to cost a lot)

Personally I really hope he wins the next game or two, I want to see the fans reaction.

there is also a part of me that would love him to win the next couple and walk out of principle, hate saying that because the club is bigger than anything but that's how they've helped me feel right now

SuzanneClaret

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can't say I have anything against Benitez, but he's nearly always had a war chest.

Not sure that's a fit with us right now

At West Ham we'd have a war envelope or at best a war shoe box ;lol

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

True that

SuzanneClaret

To be honest I think the crowd - who have always backed Bilic - are more likely to turn on the owners.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Possible, I think they really need to get benhind him and the boys for huddersfield, sing his name, if we go behind it will be toxic, stories of banners being made for the owners, they'll get searched and taken off though, probably

MunichHammer

SuzanneClaret said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can't say I have anything against Benitez, but he's nearly always had a war chest.

Not sure that's a fit with us right now

At West Ham we'd have a war envelope or at best a war shoe box ;lol

Well, you can fit a lot of cheques into shoe box. And you can fit a lot of zeroes onto a cheque. ;wink

Lukerz

Rumours on other forums that Bilic is getting the sack over next 24 hours. Jokanovic strongly linked.

Could be rubbish, but...

sweepy23

Shame if true. 7th and 11th isn't a bad result.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Would be very very harsh in my opinion

Yep we've not been on a good run recently, but he helped give us the best season for 30 years and has to deal with that stadium and a want away star player

I'm just as worried about who they'd appoint, if it's a massive name then fine, but I'm not sure it would be

sweepy23

In the prem I like the current crop of young managers. I wouldn't want to see a Benitez etc at the club. Bilic hopefully can turn it around and make us a progressive club.

ASLEFshrugged

Record in the Premier League

Bilic
P80 W29 D23 L28
Win ratio 36.3% 1.38pts per game

Allardyce
P114 W35 D28 L51
Win ratio 30.7%, 1.17pts per game

Zola
P72 W20 D20 L32
Win ratio 27.8%, 1.11pts per game

Curbs
P65 W23 D13 L29
Win ratio 35.4%, 1.26pts per game

Pardew
P53 W20 D9 L24
Win ratio 37.7%, 1.30pts per game

Roeder
P71 W22 D19 L30
Win ratio 30.9%, 1.20pts per game

Redknapp
P269 W93 D72 L104
Win ratio 34.6% 1.30pts per game

alderz

Not asking you to do the work ASLEF, but I wonder what the Bilic ratio looks like in smaller instalments of games. I'm going to try and look at that this morning

ASLEFshrugged

I started my two week "summer" holiday on Sunday and I'm bored already.....

.....but not that bored. All yours, matey!

alderz

So I took a look at groups of 10 and groups of 20 games. I'll summarise the groups of 20 as that's easier.

1-20: W8 D8 L4 (40% W), GS 30, GC 23 (GD 7), 7 Clean Sheets. PtsPG 1.6
21-40: W9 D6 L5 (45% W), GS 37, GC 30 (GD 7), 5 Clean Sheets, PtsPG 1.65
41-60: W7 D4 L9 (35% W), GS 27, GC 34 (GD -7), 5 Clean Sheets, PtsPG 1.25
61-80: W5 D5 L10 (25$ W), GS 22, GA 38 (GD -16), 5 Clean Sheets, PtsPG 1.00

The chart shows how that stacks up against our other PL managers. Our win record in the PL from the start of 1994/95 season to date is 32.9%. Basically, Slaven's first 40 games were better than we've ever had, his next 20 were better than average, and his last 20 he has struggled.



The reason we have struggled in that time is shown in the next chart. We started conceding loads more, and scoring loads less. In his first 10 games we scored 2.2 goals per game, in his last ten it's been 0.9. In his first 20 games we conceded 1.15 goals per game. That's now 1.9 per game. The combination is pretty appalling, and it's no wonder we've struggled as a result.



I think what this all says, to me at least, is that Bilic deserves some slack. Yes, he has been poor in the last 20 games. But what we saw in his first 60 (that is SIXTY as in, not just that debut Payet season) was better than anything we've experienced in the past. The contrast is what has made this particularly poor.

If his next 20 games have a win % of less than 33% than ok, I can see the argument against him. But, as it stands, he is still one of the best managers we have had in the PL era.

SuzanneClaret

;nonono

;bowdown ;bowdown ;bowdown

MrsGrey

;wahoo

FlorinRaduclious

Very interesting analysis that Alderz - top effort. ;bowdown ;ok

I fully agree that although the last 20 games Slav has been below 'acceptable' levels his earlier work shows he knows how to get the best out of this squad. Especially interesting to see that with his first 60 games his win average is the highest for all our Premier League managers ever.

I have long been for keeping Slav for the long term. He's not perfect, but who is that we can feasibly attract? He is a good fit for us as he wants to play a good style, he knows the history of the club, he is an intelligent man, and (with this being almost the greatest plus for Slav) he seemingly passionately wants to lead West Ham United and do the best for the club. For me, along with seeing the players desire yesterday, this empirical data Alderz provides definitively shows that we should stick with Slav. A club like us needs to play the long term strategy, but to do this you need to pick as best a manager you can, and then get fully behind him, and stick behind him even if he has a bad spell - it's the long term that matters.

AdMeus_CaputFilius

Well I must be in a single minority, having our first three games in the PL away my expectation was only 1 or 2 points at best with a possibility on none was always on the cards IMO - didn't expect to ship so many goals though.

Reasons: new players fitting in, some key players still out with injury, first game away to Man U was always going to be tough, Southampton was a possible draw but despite us winning there last season there was always a possibility of losing and you always have to be wary of the newly promoted teams at the start of the season as they know it is there best chance of upsets, however though we played ok at Southampton and were unlucky but 4-0 at Newcastle was a surprise, though it would be 2-1(to either) or 2-2.

Don't think it helps that DS likes to be a bit to vocal and public in his opinions, when the going gets tough he throws mud at both the manager and the plays - I am sure he does this as partly reverse psychology and partly to deflect criticism of the board (IMO), whilst it appears to work at the moment (I have my reservations on that as the KITA option is not very effective for very long and it is a possibly the manager/players would have turn it around anyway} sooner or later, be it the manager or players, they will say "well if that's what you think I'm off", which could leave us in serious trouble.

At least I got the result right for last night as I expected the win but though we would have had 2 in the first half and another in the second, despite Huddersfield's good start, think Slav got the right formation, players and tactics spot on.

NEoldiron

Admeus, 3-0 at Newcastle ;ok

IronHerb

He said it was a surprise. ;lol

Expat_Hammer

NEoldiron said:

Admeus, 3-0 at Newcastle ;ok

There was a BOGOF on the third goal