The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Others guided their teams away from the bottom not just him - allardyce, Hodgson, even Hughes, technically speaking!!

    Yes. Moyes hasn't claimed he's unique, as far as I can see.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Sill can’t work out if I want him to stay or not....it’s driving me nuts!!

    I’ve got this funny feeling with a decent spend in the summer he may get us easily top 10 and possibly pushing higher, and not boring football but a bit more EFC like....

    Rumours of Pellegrini today, would take him though, hasn’t finished outside the top 7 of any team in his last few appointments - that would be a step in the right direction imo
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I was pro Moyes on his appointment and with him most of the way but he all but lost me with the line up against Stoke, which I thought was disappointing to say the least. Now I'm a meh!

    Mind, whoever we have in charge next season needs to be financially supported by the board.
  • alderzalderz
    I was torn about who I’d want to replace him, which gave me overall doubts. But if Pellegrini is an option I would want to change
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    Maybe I am being a little harsh, but in my mind the tone of his responses were more about him

    I get that quotes can be taken slightly out of context but I baulked at the point where he is quoted as saying that he did not think it was a risk for West Ham to take him on and that it was he that was taking the risk.

    I certainly agree that there was jeopardy for him as he was entering the last chance saloon, but I would have equally thought that he should recognize the risk that we took on him as his reputation was pretty much in tatters.

    As for the trip, I felt and said at the time that I really thought it fortunate that the trip immediately followed the unrest as, despite the fans reaction, going away was certainly the right thing to do and I doubt that the board, or anyone, would have been brave enough to arrange such a trip in the immediate aftermath.

    I am getting over it...
  • MIAHammerMIAHammer
    edited May 2018
    MrsGrey said:


    PS, I agree he was taking a risk joining us. With 2 bad things most recently on his CV, if we had been relegated on his watch that would most likely have finished him in management.

    There weren't any teams lining up for his services so not much of a risk on his part IMHO.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    What, you think we were the last offer he would ever get?
  • sweepy23sweepy23
    Maybe he’s also referring to the risk to each party in monetary terms.

    He took a massive performance based deal which carried a lot of risk.

    And the club only supposedly paid £10k a week unless performance was delivered, which monetarily in isolation, is zero risk.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    I think somebody like Pellegrini would need to overhaul the squad and the mentality of the players in a way that I think is beyond us financially.

    I therefore wonder if Moyes is a better fit for the club, personnel and resources at the moment.

    However, if Moyes does leave, I’ll always be grateful for the short job he’s done, holding the club together and keeping us up, and getting the best out of Arnie, who’s been the best player to watch in a West Ham shirt since Payet in Bilic’s first season.

    I don’t think he’ll struggle to get another PL job and if it isn’t a basket case like Sunderland he’ll do well.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    edited May 2018
    However, if Moyes does leave, I’ll always be grateful for the short job he’s done, holding the club together and keeping us up, and getting the best out of Arnie, who’s been the best player to watch in a West Ham shirt since Payet in Bilic’s first season.

    Some of us have got longer memories and can think of alot more deserving candidates for that honour. ;ok
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Who else turned Arnie around then?
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Fortuneseeker said:

    However, if Moyes does leave, I’ll always be grateful for the short job he’s done, holding the club together and keeping us up, and getting the best out of Arnie, who’s been the best player to watch in a West Ham shirt since Payet in Bilic’s first season.

    Some of us have got longer memories and can think of alot more deserving candidates for that honour. ;ok

    I don’t understand what you’re saying.

    I have a perfectly long memory, thank you. I can remember Arnie was dreadful before Moyes arrived, for example. I can also remember we were in the relegation zone when Moyes joined and now we aren’t.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Since it's only a season and a half since Payet left you don't need a long memory but I'm still struggling to name the lot that Fortune may have in mind.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    I wonder if Fortune misread the post?
  • LukerzLukerz
    Paulo Fonseca being linked now. Shakhtar Donetsk manager. Agreement reached according to media out there.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Apologies to Jorderz and thanks to grey. That will teach me not to speed read comments in the future. ;lol ;ok
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    So thats Pellegrini and Fonseca signed up. Looks like were going for a 'brains trust'. ;biggrin
  • LukerzLukerz
    ESPN report Moyes to go:
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/west-ham-united/story/3495119/west-ham-eyeing-options-to-replace-manager-david-moyes-sources
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Fonseca has been linked with Arsenal
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Problem is if we replace Moyes the new manager will probably want to evaluate the squad before deciding any changes and as they don't report back until beginning of July I doubt we'd make any signings until end July or even August.
    Last minute panics again and the Daves can say that the fans wanted Moyes gone and there wasn't time for the new manager to get and gel a new squad.
    That always assumes of course that they can persuade anyone to take the job on as he would be our third manager in about 12 months.
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    Yep. Certainly an early decision either way would be best.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Brady’s paper saying unai emery on West Ham’s radar again then the next breath he’s on Arsenal’s couldn’t make it up
  • LukerzLukerz
    You’d assume if Moyes was to depart we’d have someone nailed on to take it.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Transfer window opens on Thursday 17th May, and closes on August 9th, so manager decision can't be delayed too much.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    IronHerb said:

    Transfer window opens on Thursday 17th May, and closes on August 9th, so manager decision can't be delayed too much.

    WIth the clowns owning us? They'll probably haggle all summer over Moyes replacement and then we'll be scraping the barrel over signings.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Lukerz said:

    You’d assume if Moyes was to depart we’d have someone nailed on to take it.

    Well yes you would have though so. Yet when they were about to make a change from grant they made a pig’s ear of the Martin O’Neill saga and ended up with errr Grant

    Then they would have known For quite some time that Sam wasn’t going to continue. And then after much procrastination they ended up appointing the only person who actually wanted the job

    So whilst I am intrigued about our latest position I’m not going to hold my breath that it is going to yield a great outcome
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    So, to clarify, we want rid of a manager who:

    knows the players, and by inference what positions we need to improve in

    knows the club, and by inference what needs improving

    who found the key to unlock the magic Marko

    who appears more than capable of standing his ground against the board

    whose record since he arrived is similar to managers touted as preferred replacements:

    Moyes: W 7 D 9 L 10

    Gracia: W 7 D 5 L 14

    Benitez: W 7 D 6 L 13

    Howe: W 7 D 10 L 9

    This is because people have found some of his 26 games unsatisfactory.

    However, if we appoint a new man, it will be important to give him time, even if things don't go well at times...
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    I'd suggest this is less to do with Moyes style of play or the fans being unhappy and more because he wanted to control transfers and wanted the board to stop leaking information to the press.
  • alderzalderz
    Grey

    Personally, and I can only speak for myself, I want rid of Moyes because I find his football uninspired, I do not believe in his ability to change games, and I do not believe in his ability to bring the best out of the players - the obvious exception being Arnie.

    If he stays I’ll obviously support him, but I don’t get much pleasure out of watching West Ham under him. Realistically we aren’t going to challenge for trophies, so I would rather watch a team that tries to win than a team that tries not to lose. Again, that is only my own perspective.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    alderz

    I've enjoyed a number of the games under him, and I have no real reason to think that if he stayed I would enjoy less.

    It's always easy to assume that the changes we would have made would have made a positive difference, without considering the possible negative outcomes.

    My feeling is that we would be a decent side to watch under him next year.
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