The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

OldCastleSwift

I know Jorderz, but not without compensation being paid to his current club. Which in this instance assumes West Ham were prepared to agree to let him go. Which I doubt would have happened given our own precarious position.

So either he was prepared to buy himself out of his contract with West Ham, or there's a bit of a game being played here.

IMO, of course.

Lukerz

He’s making himself more attractive by making out he’s in demand. At the end of the day the owners clearly aren’t sold on him, or he isn’t keen on us, or both. If either party was, he’d be signed up already.

Although, Izzy did suggest this was a 2.5 year contract, but publicised as a 6 month deal, as it had a break clause should we get relegated. ;hmm

I think Moyes would be an idiot to reject this job. He won’t get any better for a long time. You could argue he was fortunate to get it in the first place.

sweepy23

I just think Moyes is playing the game more than Big Sam did. The club has always left it late to renew a contract. Big Sam I believe had a better relationship with the owners and even though in the press it wasn't sure if his contract would be renewed, from what I remember he hardly commented, but yet did get the extension.

Moyes is obviously worried and from that it sounds as if the board have had less conversations with him than they may have had with Big Sam. Or Big Sam just had more faith.

Personally from what we've seen in the past, Moyes' contract will be renewed a week after the season has finished.

baracks_a_hammer

Didn’t he also say he wanted to be with a club pushing for top 6/8.

That my preclude us

Yeoldhammer

Hopefully he keeps stalling.

"Hi Bournemouth, Eddie Howe ? here's a few million."

OldCastleSwift

baracks_a_hammer said:

Didn’t he also say he wanted to be with a club pushing for top 6/8.

That my preclude us

Again, I think that's mind games on Moyes' part; a thinly-veiled prod that if Sully wants him, he'll have to match his Top 8 ambitions financially.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Beneitz wants 8mil a year to stay at Newcastle !

PrestonHammer

Are you sure that wasn't Newcastle's transfer budget this season?

baracks_a_hammer

Pearces_Left_Foot said:

Beneitz wants 8mil a year to stay at Newcastle !

Sully will swoop and trump that with an offer of £4m a year

IronHerb

plus Hugill. ;biggrin

thornburyiron

Moyes has said time and time again they won’t talk until the seasons over which it isn’t yet.

steve

Moyes will stay where else is he going to go .two Daves will stick with him .really not sure if its a good fit or not ,never wanted him but at lest he knows the players now and hopefully who to keep and who to get rid of ,

Pengeman

I think WHU need to appoint Moyes and his team. If they don't there will be a big hole to fill. They will need to find another manager who will know little about the current players (who will all disappear to hols next week) or the squad and then needs to strengthen the team without knowing the team. It will be disastrous. I am sure the board is consulting wiser heads like Sir Trevor and will end up appointing Moyes. It is hard to attract any proven manager. I think that despite endless list of injuries and a threadbare squad with some big egos (Sakho, Carroll, Ayew) he did well under the circumstances and accomplished the mission of keeping us in EPL. Of course, Moyes could move on and his stint at WHU would not have done his job prospects any harm as he could claim to have exorcised the ghost of Sunderland relegation. I would personally reappoint Moyes and then see how it all goes for the first 10 games of the next season.

MrsGrey

Pengeman said:

I would personally reappoint Moyes and then see how it all goes for the first 10 games of the next season.

And if we don't get off to a good start, sack him... and be faced with all the same difficulties that you outline as being reasons to keep him. With the added problem that the transfer window will be closed.

imo, if the board are sure they want him, then they have to be sure they want him even if we hit a sticky patch. and trust him to get us out of it.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Yea its really on the board

Either commit to Moyes or go for someone else, no mid point sacking or end.of window hiring

MrsGrey

OldCastleSwift said:

baracks_a_hammer said:

Didn’t he also say he wanted to be with a club pushing for top 6/8.

That my preclude us

Again, I think that's mind games on Moyes' part; a thinly-veiled prod that if Sully wants him, he'll have to match his Top 8 ambitions financially.

Not that thinly-veiled:

For most of my seasons, apart from one last year, I’ve been competing at the top six or eight. I need to see if West Ham are going to get there. I want to be a manager pushing the top six or eight. You need the tools for that.
“There’s a lot to be done on the pitch and a lot to be done off the pitch as well,” he added.
“There are a lot of things we could address, like around the training ground. My experience has allowed me to see what good really looks like off the pitch, whether it be facilities, a board of directors, the people who work round football clubs, the roles people should have.”


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/09/david-moyes-west-ham-ambition-contract

IronHerb

He's putting himself in the shop window in case we don't sign him up.

alderz

It seems to me like Moyes is basically saying "if they don't hire it me it shows they are poorly run"

MrsGrey

I took it more as, 'If I turn them down, it's because I think they are poorly run.'

Or is that the same thing ;hmm

thornburyiron

I think it was the Carroll issue leak which got him thinking as previously he'd said he was loving t here

IronHerb

Yes, but now he’s going into a negotiation so all can’t be rosey else he’d have nothing to put right.

Just a thought.

alderz

MrsGrey said:

I took it more as, 'If I turn them down, it's because I think they are poorly run.'

Or is that the same thing ;hmm

Maybe a bit of both?

chicagohammer

Some of the comments he has made lately make me think that he has a very high opinion of himself, it is inevitable that a manager of a Premier League club has to exude confidence, but there is a very fine line that has to be negotiated here and for me, Dm crosses over that line as I simply do not think he is as good as he would like me to think.

His record at Everton was certainly creditable but the game has moved on since those days and he has not done much in recent years, including imo, his stint with us, to back up his statements.

If it turns out that he stays and the owners offer him a contract for a couple of years, sobeit, I will support him and of course wish him well, but for me, I hope that the owners are looking to appoint someone soon who they/I feel presents a better chance of growth full development and a long term replacement.

Just my tuppence worth

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

It is a bit strange

Everton was his peak and he was great....but it was 5 years ago....

Hes been a flop at his over jobs,arguably this has been his most successful job since everton and we arent even sure of him

Cuz1

My thorts are now if he stays or goes I wouldn’t be bothered either way

nychammer66

Who are we going to get who is any better? Be real.

thornburyiron

I'm not sure what comments he's made that imply he's got a too high opinion of himself. He said he should be managing a side which is pushing for top 6 or 8 but to me that didn't suggest he didn't think it could be with us.
I think if he goes and the decision is his it will be because he knows or suspects that the club won't give him what he says we need to improve sufficiently both in terms of how its organised and performance wise. If it's because the club decides not to give him a contract then the reasons are basically the same but because the Daves are unwilling or unable to give him what he says we need.
I saw The Debate last night and the chart above with a £7M net spend this season suggests we did extremely well to survive this season at all.

baracks_a_hammer

Well he definitely said West Ham have got a good manager. Right at the start. This coming off the back of the relative Man U failure and the aberrations in Spain and at Sunderland. So I certainly agree with Chicago that he has a high opinion of himself. I’d go as far as to say he probably thinks he is better than West Ham and that he possibly believes the club need to put forward a strong enough case to keep him. Yet he sits below Brighton, Watford, etc in the league.

Expat_Hammer

But with only half a season in charge.

If he stays, let's judge him on what he has achieved in that year, which includes his transfer dealings.

If we push on and make progress then great. I'm not sure about Mr Moyes yet, but if he is good for OUR club then keep him long term, love him or hate him.

thornburyiron

Sunderland were and are a complete basket case and Sociedad have more managers per season than we have defeats.