The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

Cuz1

I’d still put money that Chico be gone in the summer

alderz

grey ;ok

Whilst I agree with that logically, my frustration is that our defence is so consistently poor that I feel it is naive to take away our attacking threat to focus on defence.

Hammerdublin

Cuz1 said:

I’d still put money that Chico be gone in the summer

I'd rather see Moyes be gone than Chicharito AND Carroll. These are the players a good manager can build a team around, along with Arnie, Lanzini, Masuaka and Ogbonna. Let Moyes first do his job and ensure our survival - and then I don't care if he stays or goes.

Cuz1

I’m on the unsure list didn’t want him but seemed to win me over, but recently as gone back to the unsure again, I’m leaning towards taking a punt on someone out of the usual and go from there as I stated when he arrived I thort we’d stay up but not because of him but because other teams around us were poorer, to win games you have to score goals, and fifteen minutes cameo off the bench isn’t enough for me let alone him

OldCastleSwift

https://telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/05/04/david-moyes-bemoans-west-ham-culture-leaked-stories/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Quite an interesting article with direct quotes from Moyes. He's (understandably) not happy with how information gets leaked at the club, which is something that I'm sure a lot of fans will agree with.

It feels like a dig at his seniors to me. Pure speculation, but I wonder if he's already preparing his case for defence for when he gets ditched by the owners later this month and blamed for our struggles (which I think he will be) ;hmm

OldCastleSwift

"In terms of other cultural changes he feels need to be made, Moyes said: “Lots of them have been made noticeable in as much that things like recruitment. Those sorts of things are things which should be given to the head of recruitment or the manager – it should be the people who are running that part of the business.”"

In fact, that's not very ambiguous at all, is it ;lol I think Sully has just been poked...

sweepy23

It’s a shame because I feel we’re on a bit of a merry go round. A new manager will be brought in and they’ll be saying the same things at the end of next season.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Clearly talking about Sully according to ExWHU who essentially leaks the team every week

;lol

baracks_a_hammer

Ok now I’ve had time to soak in the relief and elation, back to the matters in hand

Moyes out.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

So undecided.....on one hand I think he can take us forward on the other feels like we’ve gone back 4 years

Fortuneseeker

Relieved we have survived but I still have a real sense of being underwhelmed by all that has happened this season. I only hope we can put most, if not all, the wrongs right during the summer & if that means yet another new manager so be it. Will the owners realise what needs to be done or just fudged it as has been done over the previous transfer windows?

jay_in_cpt

IMO he has 2 " free hits" v Man U & Everton, let's see how those go...

He has done what was asked, stay up, but the jury is out for me.

It's over to you Mr Moyes, 2 wins in our last 2 games and think he will remain.

ASLEFshrugged

Anyone who can turn Arnie from this season's Zaza into Hammer of the Year deserves at least another season

Fortuneseeker

If the Evertonian can think they have had enough of Big Sam who has done exactly the same as what was asked of Mr Moyes but alot better then I can see no reason why his position shouldn't be under review.

MrsGrey

So we are modelling our decision-making on Everton? Interesting approach!

grey_til_I_dye

Not really sure of the value of using other fans' dissatisfaction as a criteria for making decisions about our club.

Fortuneseeker

I was waiting for that kind of response! We should be aiming higher and aspire to be competing with the likes of Everton and as you can see from the league, which is based on facts we aren't, so I see no reason why you can't use their expectations as a benchmark for ours. ;ok

Yeoldhammer

Still not the right manager for me.

baracks_a_hammer

ASLEFshrugged said:

Anyone who can turn Arnie from this season's Zaza into Hammer of the Year deserves at least another season

Don’t agree with that because it is not a person game. I don’t think he is the right person to take us forward.

MunichHammer

I have said so before, I think he should be given a new contract. He has been firefighting so far and it is always going to be a different approach if you are in that position. However, despite fighting relegation he has managed to bring in two youngsters (Rice/Fernandes) at least one of whom has been earning decent reviews.
The defeat at Arsenal was undeserved and with a little more luck we could be beyond the 40 point mark already.

The only thing that bothers me is the amount of big defeats. But I honestly believe that that will get better next season.

If he doesn't improve over the next season, fine, but he deserves a chance at the real thing.

Adam

I’m not too sure on Moyes. I think he can build on this season and improve. I’d want either Benitez or Marco Silva. If we can’t get either then I’d be ‘fine’ with Moyes next season.

Giant_Hammer

I seem to remember that Everton under Moyes were notoriously slow starters at the start of the season. After this season, if he stays, and if that happens to us in August, I can see the knives being out very early and that won't help anyone. ;hmm

imagelost

jay_in_cpt said:

IMO he has 2 " free hits" v Man U & Everton, let's see how those go...

He has done what was asked, stay up, but the jury is out for me.

It's over to you Mr Moyes, 2 wins in our last 2 games and think he will remain.

This be interesting
2 of Moyes previous clubs.

I would like him to stay, is he getting a fair say in players to buy?
If not ,,,,, it does not matter Whois runthe1st team

grey_til_I_dye

Fortune

But I don't care what Everton fans do or don't expect. If you do, that's your choice.

baracks_a_hammer

In Moyes defence he has kept faith with Declan after a difficult few games. Brave thing to do when facing mahrez and Vardy. We don’t know of course if he would have done this had ginge been available but nonetheless it would have done Declan’s confidence the world of good knowing his manager had full trust in him

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I have no idea whether I still want Moyes to carry on next season. There are pros and cons for me:

Positives

Kept us up (with two games to spare)
Giving Declan lots of games, even after mistakes
Getting the best out of Arnie
Harder to beat (overall, though when we get beat, man do we get beat)
He is always looking up the table rather than down
No nonsense with players/egos
Continuity is usually healthy for a club, particularly with the unrest at the moment
Not sure who else the club can attract/the owners would fancy who would do a better job
At our best, I like the way we've played with Arnie, Lanzini, Masuaku on the ball, more so than any time under Bilic post-Payet


Negatives

When we get beat, we tend to get pummelled
Low win percentage
Not the best transfer window (Mario's been okay, Hugill was pointless)
Substitutions always seem odd/late
Lack of game time for Hernandez

;hmm

PrestonHammer

Hugill was a pointless signing. The thing is, nobody is going to pay us the same money we signed him for. A striker who doesn't play, never mind one who doesn't score.

Fortuneseeker

grey_til_I_dye said:

Fortune

But I don't care what Everton fans do or don't expect. If you do, that's your choice.

Apologies I was just using them as an example as in, if they are Eighth and are looking for a change.

grey_til_I_dye

Fortunes

Nothing to apologise for. You have a different view to me, that's all.

Barney

The big question for me is whether, realistically, there is another proven manager who is available and willing to come to us. Benitez would be a better option than Moyes IMO but happy with Moyes rather than taking a significant risk with someone who has not managed in the PL. I do hope the owners really invest in the summer or we will be going nowhere regardless of who the manager is.