Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

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  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Because if Nobes plays in the back 3, we will be down to 10 men and a penalty given against us in the first 20 minutes of the match.
  • BarneyBarney
    one of his back passes would surely get us in trouble!
  • eskimokingeskimoking
    Yeoldhammer said:

    Because if Nobes plays in the back 3, we will be down to 10 men and a penalty given against us in the first 20 minutes of the match.

    Well, no it wouldn't. Take a bet on it?

    Our current problem is, apparently, a lack of leadership. Play the captain. We have enough quality (or should do) to carry him ability wise.
  • alderzalderz
    I think Noble has plenty of ability, I think he is hung out to dry in a 2 man midfield in front of back 4.
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    alderz said:

    I think Noble has plenty of ability, I think he is hung out to dry in a 2 man midfield in front of back 4.

    Noble is still good enough but he needs a proper DM next to him. Bilic realised that and wanted Carvalho... The owners didn't back him...
  • alderzalderz
    I don't know that they didn't back him, but no they didn't manage to sign his target
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    eskimoking said:

    Yeoldhammer said:

    Because if Nobes plays in the back 3, we will be down to 10 men and a penalty given against us in the first 20 minutes of the match.

    Well, no it wouldn't. Take a bet on it?

    Our current problem is, apparently, a lack of leadership. Play the captain. We have enough quality (or should do) to carry him ability wise.
    If he plays at CB ever I would take a bet he gives a pen away because he always give a free kick 5 yards outside the box every game in the midfield.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    He's never playing CB though is he?
  • welovethehammerswelovethehammers
    Playing Noble at centre back is a suicide move. Worse than playing Antonio at right back. Imagine if a big centre forward picked on Noble. Or even a pacey striker would run rings round him. If we were to play our CM's at CB I'd choose any of the others over Noble (Obiang / Kouyate particularly).
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    I think our central defence is bad enough without adding in somebody short, slow, inexperienced in that position and a pretty poor tackler.
  • tomkinsworldclasstomkinsworldclass
    Noble doesnt have the legs or discipline to play in a 2 and we dont have enough pace within the team to be effective enough on the counter to compensate by dropping deeper but nonetheless he is an important player and if we can accommodate him then we should do because he is a fine footballer. The best way IMO would be to play him in a 3 alongside Lanzini and Kouyate with wingbacks either side, 3 at the back and a genuine 2 up front through the middle.
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

    I think our central defence is bad enough without adding in somebody short, slow, inexperienced in that position and a pretty poor tackler.

    Yeah but apart from that jorderz?
  • Moore_than_a_nickMoore_than_a_nick
    Sort of agree, TWC, but I think the Brighton game was just the kind of game in which we could have played Nobes at the base of a diamond or as a deeplying playmaker in some other formation. Indeed, I would have brought him on at half time (or sooner) in this role, and told Lanzini to play much closer to Chicharito.

    I think against better teams, he may be able to play this same role alongside a strong ballwinner, and agree that if Kouyate (or Obiang) were on form and told to play the ballwinner role, a 3-5-2 with Kouyate/Obiang, Nobes and Lanzini in front of them as the middle three would be what I'd like to see us try.

    Getting slightly off topic, perhaps! But to get back to Bilic - he clearly needs to give Arnie the chance to justify his transfer, since he seems dear to Bilic's heart, which means the formations discussed above are unlikely. The more reasonable problem is how to shoe-horn in Antonio - maybe Bilic feels he can't even play him at RWB after the fallout over playing him at RB, even if these are two different positions. (Zaba's also hard to drop - unless he gives away another needless pen soon...)
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    TwistandShout_I_love_Allardyce said:

    Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

    I think our central defence is bad enough without adding in somebody short, slow, inexperienced in that position and a pretty poor tackler.

    Yeah but apart from that jorderz?
    I think it’s a great idea.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    edited October 2017
    If it's leadership we need, then we should look to include Noble and/or Collins

    Something like:


    Hart
    Fonte Reid Collins
    Obiang
    Antonio Noble Kouyate Masuaku
    Lanzini
    Hernandez

    Back to a back 3 where we've looked a lot more solid, Obiang sits in front, with Noble and Kouyate making up a midfield 3 that again should cope much better than a 2. Masuaku over Cresswell for me on what I've seen so far this season, and we should look to get Antonio's head back in the game; he's more than capable of a wing back role even if he'd prefer fewer defensive responsibilities. Wing back is very different to full back, and should suit him very well. Although I can see an argument for Lanzini a bit deeper, if we've got Noble there collecting the ball from the defence then I'd like to see Lanzini further forward linking with Hernandez.

    Thoughts?
  • eskimokingeskimoking
    IronHerb said:

    He's never playing CB though is he?

    Don't know, I can't see the future.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I may get a lot of stick but I don’t see noble as a particularly great “leader”. Where’s the evidence? Certainly not through the struggles of last season. And as for Slavs 1st season, surely many of the better things that happened all revolved around Payet?

    I would rate both Nolan and Lucas Neill as better West Ham captains, even though both, like Nobes, had their limitations in terms of footballing ability.
  • eskimokingeskimoking
    I would agree Baracks, they were both better captains. Name a better one in the current squad?
  • imagelostimagelost
    edited October 2017
    After Brighton debacle I wanted sb out
    But playing spuds team who are doing well, 3rd in league , even at deluded self’s
    we would not be in top 4
    I don’t think it’s fair to include this game as one slav must win games
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Reid, Zag, Hart
  • imagelostimagelost
    edited October 2017
    Purds ! Talks big
    can he do the job?
  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    No, he failed before.
  • imagelostimagelost
    Wom
    This should be a better team?
  • imagelostimagelost
    edited October 2017
    Jezz it’s quite in here
  • stevesteve
    I gave up at half time ;weep
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Tbf even if we win this it means nothing if we crumble at palace at the weekend....
  • imagelostimagelost
    edited October 2017
    Does anyone think Bilic planed this
    Right we will let spuds score 2 goals, to give them a chance, then we will go mad
  • stevesteve
    edited October 2017
    ;hmm slav should get a new contract for that ;whistle
  • imagelostimagelost
    It’s strange ol world
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    It caught my eye because it refers to Bilic, but I found it an interesting insight into the business of managing generally.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/26/bilic-abuse-fans-questioning-desire-football-manager-liam-rosenior
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