Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

thornburyiron said:

What is the point of waiting for his contract to expire. Either they want him as manager or they don't. Sacking him now will obviously involve compensation but that is going to be small fry compared to financial losses from relegation which is on the cards whilst we are playing the way we are.
If they believe he can get us out of it then fair enough but it's not a temporary blip as we've been rubbish on the whole for over a season.

Exactly, and as I said it’s what they do
2.8m or less to get rid of him, entice another manager but remember they will have to find 30-40m in Jan for the new guy....they won’t like that will they.

Or they stick with slav, one win, one draw, two defeats and spend little finish 10-17th perfect

baracks_a_hammer

A very high risk strategy though SCHB. At least when they did this with Sam they could pretty much guarantee he had enough in him to be well clear of relegation.

Slav on the other hand?....

MrsGrey

SuzanneClaret said:

The club have said there is a meeting between owners and manager tomorrow.

There's always a board meeting on Monday, isn't there - it's routine.

thornburyiron

Yes there is but tomorrow's Sunday.

MrsGrey

;doh ;lol Those Friday games really throw you out of kilter.

EXETERHAMMER

Is there anyone else out there who believes Slav should stay? Sure I am concerned, but I still believe he can turn things around.

Putney_Hammer

Nope last night was the last straw for me this can’t carry on the players aren’t playing for him when that starts happening it’s never going to end well. If the board can’t see that then we really are doomed.

MrsGrey

I really like him as a person (based on the way he comes across in the meeja etc - I've never actually met him ;whome ). I am ambivalent, party because I think the players must take a lot of the blame. If they are so wonderful (as seems to be believed by some who argue that Slav is 'ruining' them) then why are they not actually playing better and doing basic things right?

For a while, our defensive play (not, note, our defence but the whole defensive performance) was rubbish. That's mostly been fixed. And that's down to the coaching team. Unless you believe that it (rubbish defending ... subsequent improvements) is all in spite of the coaching team? In which case, sacking them will have no effect.

If as everyone says, confidence and momentum are big factors, then is it surprising that performances have struggled. Since we don't have confidence or much momentum. (Fans play a part here.)

And yet. And yet. We now have pretty much all of our players injury free. But still we play badly. I don't know if Slav knows what to do to fix it. I am doubtful, therefore, f it is actually worth him staying. (I think his lack of experience is telling, here.)

I am wondering if, in the context of 'now we have our best team available' it is rather the case that we have our best players available. But are they, together, really the best TEAM. Because I am tending towards thinking that the transfer targets (for which I hold the manger responsible) are 'good players' but not really 'the right players that will form a good team and combine to be more than the sum of their parts'.

Sorry. Rambling a bit. Thinking aloud. But I think that last bit I said is at the heart of it and explains why we have (on paper) many skilful players but not really a team that gets the best out of everybody. ;hmm Will think some more about it. But if that IS the root of the problem, getting rid of Slav now won't fix it.

EXETERHAMMER

I disagree that the players weren't playing for the manager. Arnautovic was being him - a sulky, lazy player (we knew this). Hernandez was trying to get things going and Zabaleta played wholeheartedly as he always does. The rest did not play well enough and need to step up.
I hope Slav grows some, and stops defending the players. There was nothing wrong with the starting team. They should have played better. I blame the players.

Hammerex

I agree, Slav is getting all the stick, and has to carry the can, but at the end of
the day we had eleven players out there which should have been good enough
to beat Brighton, and must also take the blame with a pathetic performance.

whupathman

Hammerex said:

I agree, Slav is getting all the stick, and has to carry the can, but at the end of
the day we had eleven players out there which should have been good enough
to beat Brighton, and must also take the blame with a pathetic performance.

correct 11 players, Brighton had a team

TwistandShout

Mrs G ;ok i got told to 'do one' (the swear word version) on twitter because i said the players should take the blame as well as Bilic + it wasn't all down to him.

NEoldiron

So if it 's all down to the players and not the coaching how come Brighton performed as they did with players that most on here wouldn't have in their team? ;hmm

TwistandShout

NEoldiron said:

So if it 's all down to the players and not the coaching how come Brighton performed as they did with players that most on here wouldn't have in their team? ;hmm

Who said it is "all" down to the players? ;puzzled

NEoldiron

Twist, read the posts prior to mine

mike

EXETERHAMMER said:

Is there anyone else out there who believes Slav should stay? Sure I am concerned, but I still believe he can turn things around.

Yeah there's no hope and bob hope. ;wink

Bazshuayi

Surely anyone who wants Bilic to stay must have that desire because of their affection for him? It can't be for his tactical nous and ability to motivate the players!

claretandbluesky

If trying to bring down to as simple a statement as possible I would say he has tried all his ideas and has now run out of new ones so it's best for all that he goes.

His greatest attribute is his passion and belief in attacking football together with his man management, and I feel his greatest weakness is his transfer business, it's possible the board have been responsible in part for this also but we will certainly not know to what extent, but either way I feel for the money spent a manager who has had 4 transfer windows should have a more cohesive team than we do.

The bookies list of potential managers is the usual bunch and only 1 or 2 would inspire you, you then have the unobtainable and the Harry Redknapp so I think the club will likely let him stay for a bit at least but will be working upon a change to be in place by the start of the next transfer window.

MrsGrey

I was thinking yesterday .... with Newcastle up for sale, how much longer will Benitez be there. It's very common for new owners to want to bring their own guy in. (I'm not saying I want Benitez, but given that he's already fairly disillusioned, might G+S make overtures ;hmm

ASLEFshrugged

Mrs G - I would have thought the exact opposite. Benitez's main problem was the lack of funds Ashley was providing for new players so Ashley leaving and new (possibly more generous) owners would be more reason to stay.

Why would the new owners want to replace a world class manager at a less than world class club? They aren't going to get anyone better than Benitez and he's doing incredibly well with what he's got. The new owners should be begging him to stay

If common sense existed there would be no counterpoint to your comment ergo common sense doesn't exist.

Adam

I was thinking the opposite Mrs Grey! I thought that Ashley will do everything to keep Benitez. He's a very good manager (imo) and technically will increase the value of the club since it will already have a top manager there when the new owners take over (the new owners won't need to convince a different top manager to come to them).

And Benitez will stay because of the possibility of financial backing from the new owners.

baracks_a_hammer

Agree with ASLEF

In Ashley, Rafa currently has not exactly a great owner. He must be delighted that is about to change. Why on earth would he want to leave and join the Dave’s especially after the carvalho saga. He won’t come anywhere near us IMO

Adam

Ah, pipped at the post by ASLEF.

MrsGrey

Aslef et al

I wasn't saying he would come to us. And yes, I agree that if the new owners promised him more money for players that would likely solve a big part of his disgruntlement.

And it would make sense for the new owners to keep him... but how often do owners do the sensible thing?

baracks_a_hammer

See your point. The new owners may even want to step it up further and go for an Ancelotti- who knows?

IronHerb

I'm with Mrs G on this. New owners tend to want 'their' man in place otherwise if all goes well it's down, in this case, to Rafa and not them.

OldCastleSwift

Rumours on Twitter that Bilic offered his resignation after the Newcastle game but the board turned it down ;hmm

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Excellent so they probably don’t want him long term, but won’t do anything short term and he may not want to be there right now

Recipe for disaster?

TwistandShout

OldCastleSwift said:

Rumours on Twitter that Bilic offered his resignation after the Newcastle game but the board turned it down ;hmm

Mark Noble - "This club is no longer a circus"

Lukerz

How difficult is it to pick a manager you think would be good for the club and do everything to get him? It will require some cash because most of those managers are employed. How much do they want the club to progress?

Wagner or Silva would be exactly what we need. A young, dynamic coach is exactly what we need. If you want to go more experienced then Benetiz is an ideal pick. Bilic just isn’t good enough in certain areas.

What they are doing currently is embrassing and very negative. Knowing they will let Bilic go in the summer but won’t pull the trigger now because the freebies are not who they want. Shocking.