How can Bilic fire back at anybody . Snodgrass may have got some facts wrong but basically he is saying that Bilic doesn't know what he's doing and looking at how the current team is playing the facts back Snodgrass up. Snodgrass suffered the same issue that nearly all players we sign have . After a while (some take longer than others) Players lose their form , are out injured all the time or just want to go elsewhere. The club is a joke at the moment on and off the pitch. As mentioned before there seems to be a nasty undercurrent within the club that has been there for a while and nobody seems to know how to sort it out.
After a while (some take longer than others) Players lose their form
Unlike at other clubs where players stay in form all the time?
Just explain to me how Snodgrass 'lost his form' when he moved to West Ham? It's not like he was Messi. You are writing your own narrative, it seems to me.
Have you seen his goal record? I think it is more accurate to say he reverted to his usual form when he moved to West Ham, after an untypical purple patch in the previous half season at Hull.
You can't judge the teams after 3 games we need around 10 imo to see how the new players bed in . All teams go through bad patches and yes I am not happy with how we are playing or have been playing last year. Bilic needs a major reaction in the next four games hopefully with players back and fitter after the international break we can go on and turn this miserable start around. I think the press is sensing blood and bigging up every negative story around the club at the moment. Bilic gets his four games and I hope he does enough with them that we can start getting some positivity back around the club if not then I think he has to go.
If it was his usual form he reverted to as you say then why did we buy him. Who are our scouts? You have just highlighted a major problem then we have . We keep buying players who are rubbish and there are lots of them , who exactly is responsible for that?
My view is and I don't blame Snodgrass . The club has a problem. What about Sakho , Valencia , Payet all good players who lost interest are they all wrong why did they all want out ?
The nasty undercurrent is among some of the fans, imo.
Sorry but the club most certainly isn't "fine"
A boss who doesn't have more than this season on his contract, we've all seen how that ends. A senior player who is throwing another strop, hasn't trained and did another clubs medical A board member who then says above player isn't being sold A board who right now for whatever reason are at 14m net spend for the summer window, one of the lowest in the PL Took over a month to as yet not get their number one target, whether it was fee or down payment they've done it
Also and these are just personal observations of some things they could've done a bit better -
Can't even lay on coaches for fans caused to go away to cheltenham because of our stadium, yet MUFC are paying for their away fans Visa's to Russia
While Spurs fans got great season ticket packs this season ours didn't even get a holder.
Believe me, not everything is "fine", just my opinion and yes I know there are many who would moan about anything
No, I'm highlighting what other clubs are doing for their fanbase.....which isn't all about taking money all the time and instead giving something back and acknowledging their loyalty
The fact they couldn't even supply a holder is a basic part of being a ST holder in this day and age of electronic entry
Players throwing a strop ... not training, wanting out... like at Chelsea, Arsenal and Southampton? It's something that happens from time to time. At all clubs.
Taking ages to get (or failing to get) their target? I give you.... Manchester City.
No, I'm highlighting what other clubs are doing for their fanbase.....which isn't all about taking money all the time and instead giving something back and acknowledging their loyalty
The fact they couldn't even supply a holder is a basic part of being a ST holder in this day and age of electronic entry
But keep mocking
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I'm not mocking, I just think that to call a club 'in trouble' or 'not fine' you need something a bit more major than that.
Spurs gave their fans a plastic wallet to hold their season ticket. How much did said season ticket cost? Did they keep the costs the same for those renewing from last year?
There are various things clubs can do to reward loyalty. Maybe we should have a poll and see if our season-ticket holders would have preferred a plastic wallet instead of a freezing of ticket process ;hmm
The club also subsidises coach travel for the away fans to every match.
I think that selecting 3 things the club didn't do, and ignoring the things they do do, doesn't make for a very convincing case that they are all about 'taking money all the time' and not 'giving something back'.
It's okay you can be negative about the owners and manager when it's justified and praise them the same
I am really irritated by your comment which implies (same old rubbish, it's not the first time) that I never criticise the club. You know very well that I criticise when I feel it's justified.
If the best you can offer in response to my points and opinions is 'well you would say that wouldn't you' then there's no point talking to you.
Fair play Mrs G, ignore each other's comments then. I suggest you don't put a laughing smiley and appear to mock someone questions what our club are doing compared to others when it comes to giving a little bit back.Spurs didn't just give a wallet, I was highlighting that as the least we could do, they gave a DVD, grass from white Hart lane, I think a scarf as well.
And these are facts by the way, regarding what other clubs are doing not twitter or any other rumours.
Sakho problems have been well documented, from his injuries, personal life or spats with players and manager, if you choose not to believe any of them that's okay
I'm sure you know that I wasn't suggesting that 'everything' is fine.
My overall feeling is that those who call the club a circus, and those who call the board clowns, are vastly overreacting. I also think that, given time, Slav will sort things out (although that could just be my optimism in overdrive...)
I like the owners, I like what they have tried to do for us, and feel that without them we could easily have been in a far worse position than we currently are.
It isn't necessary for you to remind anyone that it is 'OK' to be negative.
A brief flick through this thread would confirm that lots of people get that.
Personally, I don't share the desire, or experience the need, to slam the board or the manager, or the players, or indeed anyone associated with the club.
I'll remove the ambiguous smiley - it wasn't intended as mocking you ;ok
My reference to rumours was Sakho, not the various 'incentives' that clubs do or don't offer. As I say, clubs do different things - I don't think you can argue that West ham does nothing. It's just not factually accurate.
With regards to Sakho ... depends what you mean by 'well documented;. If you mean there have been stories and rumours and speculation, yes - lots. My point rather is that we have no way of knowing how true or accurate or 'the full story' that 'documenting' is. One example - the allegations of assault. Lots of lurid coverage ... turned out to be nothing.
Fans support a club but not all are behind the decisions made by the club and what happens at a club. My view is that the two Davids are trying to take the club forwards and the manager is a very decent man who is trying his best. We have good players and have bought some good players recently . What has been going on on the pitch has not been very good for a while. Especially this season so far. That is why I say things cannot be as good behind the scenes as there are and have been a number of players who are unhappy and are not performing.
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Owners won't sack, but won't invest either? Little bit worried about spending funds when the guy won't be with us long term?
Or is everything just fine and I'm being a bit paranoid ;wahoo
Snodgrass suffered the same issue that nearly all players we sign have . After a while (some take longer than others) Players lose their form , are out injured all the time or just want to go elsewhere. The club is a joke at the moment on and off the pitch.
As mentioned before there seems to be a nasty undercurrent within the club that has been there for a while and nobody seems to know how to sort it out.
The nasty undercurrent is among some of the fans, imo.
You would say that if we lost every game this season.
So the club is fine 3 defeats 10 goals in , players not performing . Team playing awful but everything is fine at the club.
You are very quick to have a go at anyone who is not 100 percent behind the club are you david gold in disguise?
Just explain to me how Snodgrass 'lost his form' when he moved to West Ham? It's not like he was Messi. You are writing your own narrative, it seems to me.
Have you seen his goal record? I think it is more accurate to say he reverted to his usual form when he moved to West Ham, after an untypical purple patch in the previous half season at Hull.
We've been smashed twice and the only fight we have showed this season ended with us being stupid and losing as always
10 goals conceeded and 2 goals scored
Everyone can see the quantity of players that have left that the squad is now dangerously thin
The club has barely spent anything almost breaking even with both spend and with wages despite the extra income we got from the OS
Blame the fans if you want grey but we left our home of 100 years so that we could "compete with the best" and it's only gone downhill since then
We keep buying players who are rubbish and there are lots of them , who exactly is responsible for that?
My view is and I don't blame Snodgrass . The club has a problem. What about Sakho , Valencia , Payet all good players who lost interest are they all wrong why did they all want out ?
If you can't manage to discuss things without making personal comments, don't post.
Colour me stupid, but I thought fans were meant to be behind the club.
I have no problem, and no hesitation, in blaming a section of our fans for the vitriol and nonsense they spew.
A boss who doesn't have more than this season on his contract, we've all seen how that ends.
A senior player who is throwing another strop, hasn't trained and did another clubs medical
A board member who then says above player isn't being sold
A board who right now for whatever reason are at 14m net spend for the summer window, one of the lowest in the PL
Took over a month to as yet not get their number one target, whether it was fee or down payment they've done it
Also and these are just personal observations of some things they could've done a bit better -
Can't even lay on coaches for fans caused to go away to cheltenham because of our stadium, yet MUFC are paying for their away fans Visa's to Russia
While Spurs fans got great season ticket packs this season ours didn't even get a holder.
Believe me, not everything is "fine", just my opinion and yes I know there are many who would moan about anything
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The fact they couldn't even supply a holder is a basic part of being a ST holder in this day and age of electronic entry
But keep mocking
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It's something that happens from time to time. At all clubs.
Taking ages to get (or failing to get) their target? I give you.... Manchester City.
It happens to the best of clubs.
Does anyone have a list or is it too long to remember
MCFC have a good enough squad that they don't have to worry as much about landing a single target, we don't have that luxury
It's okay you can be negative about the owners and manager when it's justified and praise them the same
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Spurs gave their fans a plastic wallet to hold their season ticket. How much did said season ticket cost? Did they keep the costs the same for those renewing from last year?
There are various things clubs can do to reward loyalty. Maybe we should have a poll and see if our season-ticket holders would have preferred a plastic wallet instead of a freezing of ticket process ;hmm
The club also subsidises coach travel for the away fans to every match.
I think that selecting 3 things the club didn't do, and ignoring the things they do do, doesn't make for a very convincing case that they are all about 'taking money all the time' and not 'giving something back'.
I am really irritated by your comment which implies (same old rubbish, it's not the first time) that I never criticise the club. You know very well that I criticise when I feel it's justified.
If the best you can offer in response to my points and opinions is 'well you would say that wouldn't you' then there's no point talking to you.
And these are facts by the way, regarding what other clubs are doing not twitter or any other rumours.
Sakho problems have been well documented, from his injuries, personal life or spats with players and manager, if you choose not to believe any of them that's okay
Let's agree to disagree
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I'm sure you know that I wasn't suggesting that 'everything' is fine.
My overall feeling is that those who call the club a circus, and those who call the board clowns, are vastly overreacting. I also think that, given time, Slav will sort things out (although that could just be my optimism in overdrive...)
I like the owners, I like what they have tried to do for us, and feel that without them we could easily have been in a far worse position than we currently are.
It isn't necessary for you to remind anyone that it is 'OK' to be negative.
A brief flick through this thread would confirm that lots of people get that.
Personally, I don't share the desire, or experience the need, to slam the board or the manager, or the players, or indeed anyone associated with the club.
My reference to rumours was Sakho, not the various 'incentives' that clubs do or don't offer. As I say, clubs do different things - I don't think you can argue that West ham does nothing. It's just not factually accurate.
With regards to Sakho ... depends what you mean by 'well documented;. If you mean there have been stories and rumours and speculation, yes - lots. My point rather is that we have no way of knowing how true or accurate or 'the full story' that 'documenting' is. One example - the allegations of assault. Lots of lurid coverage ... turned out to be nothing.
My view is that the two Davids are trying to take the club forwards and the manager is a very decent man who is trying his best. We have good players and have bought some good players recently .
What has been going on on the pitch has not been very good for a while. Especially this season so far.
That is why I say things cannot be as good behind the scenes as there are and have been a number of players who are unhappy and are not performing.