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  • Dodger58Dodger58
    A more sensible one:
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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Yes, but does that mean you can't put it on before jam, or that you have to wait for everybody else to put cream on their scones before you do?

    ;hmm
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Policy not thought through - shock!
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2017
    NEoldiron said:

    May's cowardly, pathetic performance is a direct result of Brexit; makes you proud to be British does it not - not ;angry

    Was never proud of that.

    And not likely to change my outlook any time soon, based on recent events. ;ok
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    The sad thing is he thrives on criticism as we saw during his election campaign and his supporters come from a few various groups who are essentially accepting of his defence that facts, intelligence and logic are clothes worn by their enemy and that the media cannot be trusted (but his information can). So the more you offer logical thought through argument the more you get back the term elitist.

    His strategy is to keep his power base by division through the blue coasts vs the red middle and nullifying reporting by lumping in the media with the blue coasts. It's as if a persons own quest for power can override anything.

    The other thing I cannot understand is why even if he wants go down this populist appealing route that he didn't simply inform that no new visas would be issued in certain countries from now on but that all already issued visas would be honoured, it's as if he actually wanted to make as much of a splash as possible in his first week. I think just as we will find in Europe should he continue other nations will begin to look away from them whilst he is there, he and ourselves may feel we are needed more than we actually are.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    In light of the recent adjustment of the Doomsday Clock, how prescient was this from 1969

  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    5 killed in mosque shooting Canada http://linkis.com/QACkE
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    Ok first off I'll admit to having an MA in American History. Second I'll agree that makes me no wiser than any other. Third (see, I can count too) I have deliberately avoided making comments until the new President started acting rather than talking. Many people are comparing him to Hitler or Stalin (bullying the media, xenophobia, attacking minority groups, appeal to the dissatisfied & angry National etc) but I think he's consciously or instinctively following the pattern of Huey Long, the Louisiana Kingfish. Long was hugely popular, and had his sights set on being President, but someone shot him first.
    PS grammarians can add the "ly" after each number, but I'm writing in American mode.
    PPS feel free to present information supporting or demolishing my off-the-cuff assertions. It was just a thought.... ;hmm
  • alderzalderz
    All my American friends have been telling me that the majority of Trump supports they know have gone strangely silent and will not engage in discussion around any of his antics. Funny that I came on here to see 40 new comments and not one of them from the one person on here who supports that monster.

  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Alderz - who would that be then? Does he have an amazing dancing bear? ;wink
  • alderzalderz
    Yeah, he voted for one.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Kuchinghammer said:

    Ok first off I'll admit to having an MA in American History. Second I'll agree that makes me no wiser than any other. Third (see, I can count too) I have deliberately avoided making comments until the new President started acting rather than talking. Many people are comparing him to Hitler or Stalin (bullying the media, xenophobia, attacking minority groups, appeal to the dissatisfied & angry National etc) but I think he's consciously or instinctively following the pattern of Huey Long, the Louisiana Kingfish. Long was hugely popular, and had his sights set on being President, but someone shot him first.
    PS grammarians can add the "ly" after each number, but I'm writing in American mode.
    PPS feel free to present information supporting or demolishing my off-the-cuff assertions. It was just a thought.... ;hmm

    I have an MSc in International History and agree ;biggrin

    His first week reminds me so much of something we studied regarding Latin American populism - a populist leader has to make a speech every day and promise things to the crowd, he has to keep up the act. Trump's first week has been furious and it can't really slow much.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    So.

    1. The travel ban will only apply to British dual nationality citizens if they areflying directly from the listed countries to the States. (Official FO statement last night, after Bozzer had a chat with Jared Kushner)

    2. If you are British dual nationality citizen currently in Germany, you are banned from flying to the States if you need a visa. (US Embassy in Berlin has announced no visas will be issued to anyone with dual nationality citizenship of a listed country.)

    Those two statements can't both be true.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    They're making it up as they go along.
    If you're interested, I've collected a lot of the writing on it here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/convivencia/talking-points-trumps-muslim-ban/814153462058771
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2017
    outcast

    They are indeed.

    Part of the issue seems to me to be that Trump and his 'inner circle' are forging ahead, without sufficient input from qualified and experienced advisers. Whether that is arrogance or ignorance, who can say. But the results speak for themselves.

    The problems arising from the haste/lack of care have been exacerbated by inadequate (ie no) information given to frontline staff (airports, airlines, customs and security etc) who have to try to implement it. So there is massive inconsistency about how people are being dealt with.

    Then there were some successful legal challenges to deportations and detentions which were ignored.

    Yet officials can describe it as a 'massive success'. (Presumably using an 'alternative dictionary.')
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Has anyone pointed out that people from the four countries where the 9/11 bombers came from - Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Lebanon - are not on the banned list?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    MrsGrey said:




    Those two statements can't both be true.

    Oh, I hadn't realised when I posted that comment that the US Embassies had all posted the same advice, not just the one in Berlin.

    So, are they stringing Bozzer along? Or did he not understanding what they were telling him?

    Interested to hear his statement in the Commons later.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2017
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    Has anyone pointed out that people from the four countries where the 9/11 bombers came from - Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Lebanon - are not on the banned list?

    Lots of people, yes ;ok

    Some of those have also pointed out that Trump has financial interests in some of those countries.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Have you ever understood anything Boris has said? ;hmm
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    Has anyone pointed out that people from the four countries where the 9/11 bombers came from - Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Lebanon - are not on the banned list?

    Plenty but don't think it's a good argument against it, as it kind of suggests in some cases the ban is ok.

    The countries were actual taken from some restrictions under the Obama administration, they're not actually Trump's choices.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2017
    More on the impact on UK citizens, and the apparent contradiction in what Bozzer announced and what the US Embassies are actually doing:

    from the PMs spokesperson...
    Britons are not getting special treatment in relation to the travel ban, the spokesman said. He said the Foreign Office statement last night about how the new US rules affected dual nationals was not intended to mean that British dual nationals were getting preferential treatment. It was meant to be a clarification of how the rules affected dual nationals generally.
    A clarification? How's that working out then?
  • simoncsimonc
    I have waited to comment on this thread until some of the dust had settled & the facts became clear. Although i disagree & do not see the benefit in this action especially since a # of obvious countries are missing from the list, this was a campaign promise so should not come as such a surprise. Obviously the implementation could have been far better.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    I have an o'level in social and economic History of the English industrial revolution.


    Whilst we are sharing.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    I have a bricklaying City and Guilds but I'm not letting on to Trump... ;whistle
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I'm thick. I look up to you lot..... ;biggrin
  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    25 yards swimming certificate, and knot tying badge in the cubs ;ok
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Herb, I'll tell you who I look up to -



















    astonomers
    ;yercoat
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Why? Are they particularly tall where you are? ;lol
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2017
    I got my life-saving certificate in swimming, for which I had to pick up a shot-put from the bottom of the pool, and swim 25m while 'rescuing' another kid in my class who was pretending to be unconscious.
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