I've seen that claim debunked, fairly convincingly (to me, anyway).
Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Hamish de Bretton Gordon, director of Doctors Under Fire and former commanding officer of the UK Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) Regiment, said this claim was “completely untrue” .... "if you blow up sarin, you destroy it.”
Guardian journalist also visited the warehouse they were talking about - said it was just an abandoned building with old grain silos.
A friend of mine went to a protest in Jacksonville, FL yesterday about Syria, and some Trump supporters disrupted it, and the police got involved. A deaf guy in her protest group got hit with a trump flag and his hearing aid fell out, and then when he didn't respond to the police orders (he couldn't hear) he got beaten and tasered and went to hospital. The videos are horrendous.
Alderz: The US right wing is rapidly returning to the methods of the KKK, but this time round POTUS is encouraging them. He'll find it hard to reign them back when things get out of control. Wait for the "it's a states' rights issue, none of my business" opt out.
His core support are geared to trust Trump above all else.
For me, it's why he pushes this 'fake news' thing so much. What should be damning condemnations of his manifold failings are drowned out by anti-liberal sentiment.
Did anyone else see that man try to turn the attack in London into a statement about gun control? And to attack Sadiq Khan?
He makes my stomach turn.
In attempting to find the exact words of Sadiq Khan's speech (which Trump misquoted) I had the unpleasant experience of reading comments on the Mayor of London facebook page. I recommend against it.
A common opinion seems to be that London brought the attacks on itself by electing a Muslim mayor. The bile and hatred directed at Khan was awful.
Grey - a friend of mine voted for Trump, and he told me that he feels a huge amount of shame and guilt about it. So there is hope that some people recognise
Voted Trump and would do again, I assure you i can see past my nose as can the majority of Trump supporters. The truth is in the questions that are not asked, not the media repeating other media sources making a tornado out of a whisper. Here's one for you, in Europe printers use formaldehyde & 100% VOC Alcohol in lithographic fountain solutions. I would not recommend microwaving any printed food cartons or licking your fingers if you read many books or magazines. European Reach regulations require manufacturers to release their formulas, Safety Data Sheets provide all the info necessary but Reach insists on formulas which they obviously will not get, so USA food packaging is and will remain far safer than European. I work in the printing industry & European printing is by no means green, far far from it. USA still has a long way to go on HAPS & VOC reduction but it is already well underway in the printing industry and across the board in other industries so does not need the Paris agreement to push it along. Trump is correct the Paris agreement as it stands is not an agreement, its a way of leveling the playing field & under those rules the only direction for the USA is down. Better off out with an eye to improve wherever possible.
You've not commented on this website in nearly 3 months. You've posted one comment outside of this thread or the Brexit thread since January.
Why are you here? People are upset at what that man is doing to the world. What are you trying to achieve?
Why is it that you never answer the questions at hand? Why are you talking about food packaging? The current hurt and upset is down to his unnecessary attack on Sadiq Khan, and his desire to turn an event in this country into a political statement about gun control.
Why not address that issue? Why not show a bit of compassion?
I don't understand why someone would come to a West Ham forum once every few months, just to quote Trump propaganda, not even addressing the issue at hand.
I'm not saying the guy can't post. I'm asking what the motive is.
This is our forum (that is to say, yours, mine, every member's), and I think that as a member alderz has a right to ask that question. It isn't personal or rude, and addresses the issue.
the only direction for the USA is down. Better off out with an eye to improve wherever possible.
As long as America is OK (economically, I assume you mean), never mind about what they are doing to the rest of the planet and the people who live on it, that's essentially what you are saying.
Which, by the way, includes Americans. They aren't in a hermetically-sealed environment.
And you say you can see past the end of your nose.....
Individual states are going to uphold the Paris Agreement anyway.
Trump draining the swamp. He is just filling it with more corporates ;lol
Its not about levelling a playing field, its already proven that Greener Energy is cheaper than alternatives and decreasing ever faster.
Just look at California greener than any other American state and economically better than any other American state. Trump says it will cost jobs yet 200,000 jobs were created in California as a result of changes to more greener energy.
And ironically, now that Trump has said he's taking USA out, it has (reportedly) given China a massive global advantage in the development of green technologies and green energy.
What is so infuriating is illustrated by his latest tweet blaming the Democrats for delaying nominations.
After the acting ambassador to London praised Sadiq Khan, and a TV programme highlighted it and the fact that there was no permanent Ambassador yet in place,Trump tweeted that Democrats were blocking his nominations and appointments.
BUT, he hasn't actually nominated a UK Ambassador.
Do you think his supporters will take away from that their President is misleading them? Or that he should spend less time tweeting about it and more time actually doing the job? Or that the Democrats are blocking confirmations?
I think it telling that he weighed in with an attack on the Mayor of a foreign city so quickly, but took the best part of 3 days to say anything about a self-proclaimed American patriot murdering 2 other Americans in an Islamophobic hate crime in an American city.
What I think gets forgotten in the noise was the clammer prior to the Paris accord being signed,.
The big deal then was why should America change its ways and try to go green whilst China and India were still committed to building new fossil fuel plants.
What the Paris accord did was to unify everyone into committing to clean up their act, under the accord, it is true that America was committed to contributing $3bn to the UNs "Green Climate fund" designed to help poorer nations who are most at risk to the implications of climate change, and I believe that the commitment in pure dollars was probably more than any other nation, ( I think that is all Trump saw when he reviewed this) as a % of GDP, it was far from the top of the list.
However
I believe the requirement was to lead and for once i think that in making the commitment, America was a leading force that helped bring the whole world together, by pulling out, although the individual nations commitments are voluntary, it will only encourage other nations to default on them.
America and its individual states may still commit to renewable energy sources but the optics are truly terrible, where is the leadership and committed encouragement to ensure that every other nation does likewise.
The question I want to ask Trump is "where does he think that the research dollars are going to go?" I am sure there are many efforts being exerted in pursueing renewable sources of energy and yes, the breakthrough may come from within the USA but I think that by pulling out, the stage is set for the majority of new research dollars to be likely to be invested overseas.
I really do not understand why someone like Trump does not understand that.
I am sorry for not posting more often Alderz i didn't realize you were following me, Its been a busy few months & there was not too much to talk about on the West Ham front but i have been signing in & reading the comments. To address your points directly.. I talked about food packaging as I am very well versed in the chemical aspect and find it amazing that European regulations stop competition at the expense of cleaner chemicals - FACT It is not too much of a leap to suspect that this type of protectionism extends to other areas of industry. I only say this because you state that you are upset with what Trump is doing to the world, i would question the European parliament too. I did not see any reference to Breitbart, but can assure you i am not a subscriber or reader, in fact i would challenge hard line views from either side. As for Trumps comments, if the heavier police presence is required then it simply makes sense that there is something to be concerned about doesn't it? He was also correct on the gun issue though that is a two edged sword, if guns were easily available in the UK then the terrorists would probably have had guns, but there may also have been a person with a concealed carry weapon that could have stopped it sooner. I am probably with you on this one no guns is better but unfortunately that is not an option in the USA. Compassion? I like everyone else was horrified by the actions of these 3 delusional individuals & my heart goes out to the families & friends, but i don't feel sorry Sadiq Khan why should I? WARNING off subject..what is going to change? IMO - If someone, as appears to be the case here reports an individual how do the police or MI5 / FBI investigate, track or monitor these people? Constant security leaks about how and what the government is doing only help the terrorists not the public. I have nothing to hide & if a court decides they want to monitor all my electronic communication or turn my phone into a microphone then they can have at it, I just wish this was possible in these cases. Maybe big brother but in times of war, & we are at war.
Oh & Mrs G "As long as America is OK (economically, I assume you mean), never mind about what they are doing to the rest of the planet and the people who live on it, that's essentially what you are saying."
No that is not what i am saying, I am saying that as with Unleaded Fuel in the 60's the USA leads the way in many Green technologies and they will continue to do so, It does not make sense to close coal fired generators in the USA but build them in India and China. As you point out the world is all of ours so lets use the best technologies worldwide & the Paris agreement does not propose that?
You think he was right to respond to a terror attack on London by laying into the mayor of the city, and suggesting that guns would have helped? Out of interest, how would you have felt if, on 12th September 2001, Tony Blair had gone after Rudy Giuliani?
I wonder what Trump's view would have been if Sadiq Khan had released a statement saying: PANIC! EVERYONE PANIC! because he seems to be criticising him for urging for calm, when that is very clearly the only appropriate response.
Not Trump, Mrs G but Obama, regulations in the USA were passed by Obama limiting particulates, somewhat misguided as if applied they would have impacted the whole heatset printing industry as well as many others, luckily Trumps executive order fixed that fopar.
Alderz -You avoided my question why are there more police if there is nothing to worry about? They are obviously concerned about copycats or other acts of terror so shouldn't Khan have requested vigilance from the public or is it better he just pats everyone on the head and says there there, there's nothing to worry about.
Not Trump, Mrs G but Obama, regulations in the USA were passed by Obama limiting particulates, somewhat misguided as if applied they would have impacted the whole heatset printing industry as well as many others, luckily Trumps executive order fixed that fopar.
But then that's a domestic matter. Why are you linking it to the Paris Agreement, and comparing it to what India and China might or might not do?
And if Trump 'fixed it' doesn't that further undermine the argument for withdrawing from the Paris Agreement?
I feel like I'm trying to nail jelly to the wall. ;puzzled
Not Trump, Mrs G but Obama, regulations in the USA were passed by Obama limiting particulates, somewhat misguided as if applied they would have impacted the whole heatset printing industry as well as many others,
And presumably impacted a lot of people's health, too. For the better.
Not Trump, Mrs G but Obama, regulations in the USA were passed by Obama limiting particulates, somewhat misguided as if applied they would have impacted the whole heatset printing industry as well as many others, luckily Trumps executive order fixed that fopar.
Alderz -You avoided my question why are there more police if there is nothing to worry about? They are obviously concerned about copycats or other acts of terror so shouldn't Khan have requested vigilance from the public or is it better he just pats everyone on the head and says there there, there's nothing to worry about.
His point being that just because you see an increased presence of armed police it shouldn't deter you from continuing your normal daily routines and going about your business.
More armed police does not mean that they know of a specific threat to the capital and are therefore putting more police out the combat a specific threat.
At the end of the day, regardless of any of that, the fact that Trump said anything other than something on the lines of, "We stand with London against all forms of hatred" shows that it he is a disgusting individual
As we all know, it's all about Trump and him wanting to be the big man, center stage, shouting his mouth off about things he has no clue about.
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He makes my stomach turn.
I hope the people that voted for him wake up one day and see past the ends of their noses and realise what they are doing to the entire world.
Trouble is they won't.
His core support are geared to trust Trump above all else.
For me, it's why he pushes this 'fake news' thing so much. What should be damning condemnations of his manifold failings are drowned out by anti-liberal sentiment.
A common opinion seems to be that London brought the attacks on itself by electing a Muslim mayor. The bile and hatred directed at Khan was awful.
Grey - a friend of mine voted for Trump, and he told me that he feels a huge amount of shame and guilt about it. So there is hope that some people recognise
Here's one for you, in Europe printers use formaldehyde & 100% VOC Alcohol in lithographic fountain solutions. I would not recommend microwaving any printed food cartons or licking your fingers if you read many books or magazines.
European Reach regulations require manufacturers to release their formulas, Safety Data Sheets provide all the info necessary but Reach insists on formulas which they obviously will not get, so USA food packaging is and will remain far safer than European.
I work in the printing industry & European printing is by no means green, far far from it.
USA still has a long way to go on HAPS & VOC reduction but it is already well underway in the printing industry and across the board in other industries so does not need the Paris agreement to push it along. Trump is correct the Paris agreement as it stands is not an agreement, its a way of leveling the playing field & under those rules the only direction for the USA is down. Better off out with an eye to improve wherever possible.
Why are you here? People are upset at what that man is doing to the world. What are you trying to achieve?
Why is it that you never answer the questions at hand? Why are you talking about food packaging? The current hurt and upset is down to his unnecessary attack on Sadiq Khan, and his desire to turn an event in this country into a political statement about gun control.
Why not address that issue? Why not show a bit of compassion?
I don't understand why someone would come to a West Ham forum once every few months, just to quote Trump propaganda, not even addressing the issue at hand.
I'm not saying the guy can't post. I'm asking what the motive is.
This is our forum (that is to say, yours, mine, every member's), and I think that as a member alderz has a right to ask that question. It isn't personal or rude, and addresses the issue.
Which, by the way, includes Americans. They aren't in a hermetically-sealed environment.
And you say you can see past the end of your nose.....
It wasn't necessary and I took it out right away ;ok
Trump draining the swamp. He is just filling it with more corporates ;lol
Its not about levelling a playing field, its already proven that Greener Energy is cheaper than alternatives and decreasing ever faster.
Just look at California greener than any other American state and economically better than any other American state. Trump says it will cost jobs yet 200,000 jobs were created in California as a result of changes to more greener energy.
What is it levelling a playing field for XD
So if Trump doesn't win again then this policy can be reversed.
After the acting ambassador to London praised Sadiq Khan, and a TV programme highlighted it and the fact that there was no permanent Ambassador yet in place,Trump tweeted that Democrats were blocking his nominations and appointments.
BUT, he hasn't actually nominated a UK Ambassador.
Do you think his supporters will take away from that their President is misleading them? Or that he should spend less time tweeting about it and more time actually doing the job? Or that the Democrats are blocking confirmations?
;hmm Let me guess ;doh
Let's hope.
Support for impeachment 43%
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LOCK HIM UP
LOCK HIM UP
The big deal then was why should America change its ways and try to go green whilst China and India were still committed to building new fossil fuel plants.
What the Paris accord did was to unify everyone into committing to clean up their act, under the accord, it is true that America was committed to contributing $3bn to the UNs "Green Climate fund" designed to help poorer nations who are most at risk to the implications of climate change, and I believe that the commitment in pure dollars was probably more than any other nation, ( I think that is all Trump saw when he reviewed this) as a % of GDP, it was far from the top of the list.
However
I believe the requirement was to lead and for once i think that in making the commitment, America was a leading force that helped bring the whole world together, by pulling out, although the individual nations commitments are voluntary, it will only encourage other nations to default on them.
America and its individual states may still commit to renewable energy sources but the optics are truly terrible, where is the leadership and committed encouragement to ensure that every other nation does likewise.
The question I want to ask Trump is "where does he think that the research dollars are going to go?" I am sure there are many efforts being exerted in pursueing renewable sources of energy and yes, the breakthrough may come from within the USA but I think that by pulling out, the stage is set for the majority of new research dollars to be likely to be invested overseas.
I really do not understand why someone like Trump does not understand that.
Actually I totally understand why that is ;wink
Its been a busy few months & there was not too much to talk about on the West Ham front but i have been signing in & reading the comments.
To address your points directly..
I talked about food packaging as I am very well versed in the chemical aspect and find it amazing that European regulations stop competition at the expense of cleaner chemicals - FACT
It is not too much of a leap to suspect that this type of protectionism extends to other areas of industry.
I only say this because you state that you are upset with what Trump is doing to the world, i would question the European parliament too.
I did not see any reference to Breitbart, but can assure you i am not a subscriber or reader, in fact i would challenge hard line views from either side.
As for Trumps comments, if the heavier police presence is required then it simply makes sense that there is something to be concerned about doesn't it? He was also correct on the gun issue though that is a two edged sword, if guns were easily available in the UK then the terrorists would probably have had guns, but there may also have been a person with a concealed carry weapon that could have stopped it sooner. I am probably with you on this one no guns is better but unfortunately that is not an option in the USA.
Compassion? I like everyone else was horrified by the actions of these 3 delusional individuals & my heart goes out to the families & friends, but i don't feel sorry Sadiq Khan why should I?
WARNING off subject..what is going to change?
IMO - If someone, as appears to be the case here reports an individual how do the police or MI5 / FBI investigate, track or monitor these people? Constant security leaks about how and what the government is doing only help the terrorists not the public. I have nothing to hide & if a court decides they want to monitor all my electronic communication or turn my phone into a microphone then they can have at it, I just wish this was possible in these cases. Maybe big brother but in times of war, & we are at war.
Oh & Mrs G
"As long as America is OK (economically, I assume you mean), never mind about what they are doing to the rest of the planet and the people who live on it, that's essentially what you are saying."
No that is not what i am saying, I am saying that as with Unleaded Fuel in the 60's the USA leads the way in many Green technologies and they will continue to do so, It does not make sense to close coal fired generators in the USA but build them in India and China. As you point out the world is all of ours so lets use the best technologies worldwide & the Paris agreement does not propose that?
It absolutely does not require USA to close their coal-fired generators. Nor does it specify that India and China may build new ones.
Trump, once again, distorting the truth.
I wonder what Trump's view would have been if Sadiq Khan had released a statement saying: PANIC! EVERYONE PANIC! because he seems to be criticising him for urging for calm, when that is very clearly the only appropriate response.
Alderz -You avoided my question why are there more police if there is nothing to worry about? They are obviously concerned about copycats or other acts of terror so shouldn't Khan have requested vigilance from the public or is it better he just pats everyone on the head and says there there, there's nothing to worry about.
And if Trump 'fixed it' doesn't that further undermine the argument for withdrawing from the Paris Agreement?
I feel like I'm trying to nail jelly to the wall. ;puzzled
More armed police does not mean that they know of a specific threat to the capital and are therefore putting more police out the combat a specific threat.
At the end of the day, regardless of any of that, the fact that Trump said anything other than something on the lines of, "We stand with London against all forms of hatred" shows that it he is a disgusting individual
As we all know, it's all about Trump and him wanting to be the big man, center stage, shouting his mouth off about things he has no clue about.
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