American Election Discussion

TheMadcapLaughs

C&B. Next time they will not only hold hands, but will skip the full length of Downing Street whilst holding hands. On entering number 10, May will look teasingly over her shoulder at the Worlds press, and with a wink and lecherous grin, will close the door provocatively with her trembling hand whispering "no cameras please". The press will be left with the receding sounds of girly squeals and giggles and a faint rendition of Mr Trump doing a splendid impression of Elvis singing "Love Me Tender". The cameras will then swing around to a perspiring Boris Johnson who is rosy cheeked and mopping his brow with a polka dot handkerchief after having skipped alongside the "World Leaders" for the entire length of Downing Street. He explains to the press that he skipped along side his "mistress" and "The Potus" for "the want of knowing the correct protocol when faced with skipping dignitaries". He goes on to explain that he was to be "included in the high level meeting" but on reflection and the evidence before him the Prime Minister may have felt this meeting needed to be kept "one on one" and The Potus had previously expressed a wish for "privacy and intimacy in their special relationship" when "discussing the finer points of their forth coming visit down under". Boris also went on to say that The Potus had seemed excited by the prospect of "the next G string meeting of World Leaders" but he had tactfully corrected Trump on the terminology and it was indeed "the G8". Although he was sure he had heard Trump whisper "not on my watch son" as The Potus turned away to begin the now "viral" skip along Downing Street.

claretandbluesky

Please don't go any further Madcap, the imagery is leading me somewhere I fear I may never recover from ;nonono

TheMadcapLaughs

C&B. It does make for uncomfortable reading. Enough to put you off your breakfast. It was your line "It`s hard to see what she can offer him next" that got my mind a wandering..............................I know he`s mad (and all that) but that press conference was hilarious. And his musings on uranium were..........genius. The lunatics really are taking over the asylum. All we need now is for Blair to throw his hat back in the ring...........................
;biggrin

MrsGrey

;lol

chicagohammer

BBB, you would have thought that point had been reached, wouldn't you

Unfortunately it does not appear to be the case ;weep

claretandbluesky

But he is there by the will of the people so surely cant be a mistake. Can the intelligence people remove him as it would be reckless and not in the national interest or even the global interest to allow him to remain? or can you not go back on these things. Do they need wait four years? lot of consequence can be felt in four years.

ASLEFshrugged

C&BS - Section 4 of the Constitution says "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors"

Impeachment requires a simple majority vote in the House of Representatives, the trial is held in the Senate where a conviction requires a two thirds majority,

Currently the House has 238 Republican, 193 Democrat with 4 vacancies, the Senate has 52 Republicans, 46 Democrats and 2 independents who sit with the Democrats so impeachment would require the Republicans to turn on their own president.

claretandbluesky

It's possible if they prefer and trust the vice president I guess, for as many have pointed out although running as a republican he was really an independent and has likely no more than half of the republican support personally at best.

I think he will continue to embarrass but be tolerated for a period of time as seen as necessary to ensure he is seen to have enough rope, and then if he makes a big mistake they will find something to impeach with.

NEoldiron

There is an eerie correlation between Brexit and Trump in these last few posts, especially here (first two sentences)
http://www.whu606.com/discussion/comment/850811/#Comment_850811

Madcap, very droll, but is this not the consequence of something you wished for?
http://www.whu606.com/discussion/comment/850745/#Comment_850745

MrsGrey

Trump cites terror attack in Sweden

“We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night [Friday night] in Sweden.”

“Sweden, who would believe this? '

;doh

Let's hope nobody does believe it, because it's not true. There was no terror attack.

And yet he continues to lambast the media for reporting 'fake news'.

Well, they will be if they report what he says, 'cos he just makes stuff up. ;angry

SuzanneClaret

Well yeah Donald we did look at what happened in Germany which is why when we look at you we are so terrified.

MrsGrey

He also said: ‘We’ve allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing.'

That's another lie.

He is beyond despicable

SuzanneClaret

Liar!! He is such a liar!

I once spent 10 hours post 9-11 in immigration at JFK airport as my family name was Moroccon and sounded a bit Muslimee.

ASLEFshrugged

Apparently some Fox News reporter claimed he was attacked in a "no go area" in Sweden which I guess must be pretty much like the "no go areas" Trump claimed we have in London and Birmingham.

SuzanneClaret

;lol a 'no go area' in Sweden? What is one of those?

It is where they play non stop ABBA through a tannoy system?

MrsGrey

SuzanneClaret said:

Liar!! He is such a liar!

I once spent 10 hours post 9-11 in immigration at JFK airport as my family name was Moroccon and sounded a bit Muslimee.

Despite what Trump says, they have a really really rigorous vetting system for immigrants.

And since Jan 2016, anybody who was exempt from getting a visa (under the Visa Waiver Programme) but who had been to Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011 would no longer be able to be exempt. They would have to apply for a visa, and be vetted etc. Even if they were just changing planes.

(See the Dwight Yorke story - was trying to fly from Qatar to Trinidad and Tobago. But there was a stop-over in Miami, so he was refused boarding in Qatar. ;doh )

IronHerb

But illegals aren't vetted. ;hmm

chicagohammer

I do not recall the dates, 2006/7??? but I had to go to the US consulate in London to extend my visa and it was swamped with travelers who suddenly discovered they needed Visa's Simply to transit home via the US.

It was a madhouse

MrsGrey

IronHerb said:

But illegals aren't vetted. ;hmm

He wasn't talking about Mexicans, IronHerb.

I'm not sure if I have understood your point. ;hmm

That vetting quote was clearly referring to people from the 'banned' countries, and the executive orders designed to 'make our country safe'.

SuzanneClaret

He's got a point though does Donald, I got very drunk in a NY bar, fell over and broke a chair. I had to be poured into a cab and we had to pay him double to get to the hotel.

I was a total 'undesirable'.

;biggrin

PrestonHammer

Didn't Dwight Yorke get stopped under the previous White House regulations?

Hammerex

SuzanneClaret said:

He's got a point though does Donald, I got very drunk in a NY bar, fell over and broke a chair. I had to be poured into a cab and we had to pay him double to get to the hotel.

I was a total 'undesirable'.

;biggrin

Nothing new there then Suz ;lol

MrsGrey

PrestonHammer said:

Didn't Dwight Yorke get stopped under the previous White House regulations?

Yes - I referred to them (the Jan 2016 ones) ;ok

MrsGrey

It just gets worse.

Trump clarifies his comments, claiming he was referring generally to crime in Sweden and its being committed by immigrants, not to a specific terror attack. He got his information about rising crime rates and who committed the crime from a state department briefing something he saw on TV.

So (a) he got the wrong end of the stick while watching TV. (b) He didn't bother to even check if what he thought he heard was what was said. (c) He took the information presented in he TV programme at face value and didn't get it fact-checked.

He 'announced' it to bolster his argument that immigrants from 'the Muslim world' are criminals and terrorists.

Now his supporters are claiming Sweden is covering up immigrant crimes, and that he's right. Despite Sweden denying it. ;doh

Yeoldhammer

Sweden covering it up ;lol

Is half of America on the Wacky Backy ?

MunichHammer

One day he will watch Independence day and claim that the press are covering up an alien invasion. ;doh

Any chance of Orwell's War or the worlds being newsread on Fox? ;yercoat

ASLEFshrugged

Yeold - news coverage in the US of events in non-America isn't great, indeed news coverage outside whichever state you happen to be in isn't particularly good.

MrsGrey

The news is out there.

claretandbluesky

There was a meme going around on facebook (as they do) with a smiling George.W.Bush asking 'Missing me yet?'

What it may lead to is a reappraisal of democracy for as I have always said Democracy is not all it's made out to be as it becomes a lever for which information providers to further their agenda, whilst this has been recognised by many since it's inception what has changed is that democracy is being skewed even more lately as social media means everyone can become an information provider without any checks and balances with regard truth, opinion and downright propaganda. Some parties are becoming expert at using this new window fully and I read recently that many fake news stories were emanating from Macadonia, almost like a headquarters for a behind the scenes organisation or figure (bit like wapping when the sun moved I guess). The longer it takes us to bring into the open and be brave enough to say we have a problem with democracy here due to the above the longer we will have issues such as Donald Trump.

SuzanneClaret