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My view, his view, your view, ?
The fact that he thinks differently to me on this point does not disqualify him from representing me better than Clinton would have.
To address your comments above, you are incorrect,
When you renew your drivers licence you are asked if you would like to register to vote - the DMV does not know if you are a citizen or not, illegals can register if they qualify for a drivers licence, whether they did, or whether they voted, is the crux of this argument.
I would expect under Trump this registration loophole will be fixed, although i am sure he will be accused of being racist and exclusionary when doing so. To stop those already registered illegally from voting in the next election, registration would need to be crosschecked against citizenship, reading between the lines this may be why Trump is doing what he is doing. In proving him wrong the Democrats would out allot of illegals.
Voter fraud is voter fraud illegal immigrants or not, Trump got more votes from the recount, so who was cheating?
As for the pipeline good or bad, i am not going to get into that with you as we are quite obviously on different sides. You were insinuating that Trump did it for personal gain - Not the case at all
There will be numerous instances like this where - "a rising tide raises all boats", including Trumps
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/12/18/detroit-ballots-vote-recount-election-stein/95570866/
There were 782 more votes than voters listed in 248 precincts, out of a total of 248,211 votes in Wayne County's 662 precincts. The largest discrepancy was one precinct where there were 12 extra votes.
At 158 precincts the number of votes counted was 382 less than the number of people who had signed in to vote.
They also noted that there were more than 80 voting machines failures on election day and that the problem wasn't restricted to Detroit, in each of the 22 counties where the recount had begun before it was called off there was at least one precinct where the numbers didn't add up. Trump won in 75 counties out of 83
Conclusion; rather than voter fraud Michigan's voting system is pants.
Amazing thing, Google.
In my opinion, this is a large part of the issue with American politics (and politics in general, actually). Debates just turn into slanging matches, nobody listens to any viewpoint that doesn't immediately represent their own. Anyone who doesn't agree is grouped up into something that clearly doesn't represent their view anyway (Nazi, Communist). It just breeds a culture of stupidity, ignorance, and intolerance.
I still think claiming that such abuse was widespread (of which there's not really any evidence) and, more particularly, that it was done by illegal immigrants is wrong. It is rhetoric designed to foment hatred against immigrants.
As far as whether or not any newly-proposed measures might be racist or not... a law that makes it more difficult for one race to vote than another is racist. It would be racist in its effect, whatever the person/party bringing it forward might intend.
Mrs G - Darn those drivers ;wink I don't see how proving citizenship as a means of registration or providing identification at the time of voting is racist, but somehow it is, so I don't know how to fix the potential for fraud, both would seem to be necessary?
Do you have any suggestions?
I am not sure what other forms of id were banned as there is no link but as a quick FYI anyone can get a photo ID at the DMV - if you want to drink or buy cigarettes you need a photo ID
(To the writer, not MrsG)
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/world/doomsday-clock-2017/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/science/doomsday-clock-countdown-2017.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-helps-push-doomsday-clock-closest-global-annihilation-cold-war-n712501
Over to you simonc, what do you think? ;hmm
Trump says it.
http://nordic.businessinsider.com/dutch-video-spoofing-donald-trump-going-viral-2017-1
;lol
He does not count.
He is not a well man.
The N. Carolina legislature did research on the types of ID most commonly held by its voters, and broke down the stats according to race. The data showed some quite big differences in types of ID held by the different racial groups. Then N. Carolina specifically prohibited in its Bill any of the IDs more commonly held by African-American voters. And specified those types of ID most popular among white voters.
Seems to have a pretty clearly negative impact on one racial group.
So, as I said earlier up the page, Simon, even if the intent is not racist*, if the measure introduced disproportionately disadvantages one race, so that it becomes more difficult for them to vote compared to another race, it is racially discriminatory.
And leaving aside the moral issue, such a law is in any case (it seems to me) in breach of existing US law - Votng Rights Act s2:
No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting or
standard, practice, or procedure shall be imposed or
applied by any State or political subdivision in a
manner which results in a denial or abridgement of the
right of any citizen of the United States to vote on
account of race or color . . . .
*more on that later
In spite of the demolition of the idea of widespread voter fraud (using irrefutable, pesky facts), and the clear evidence that voter restrictions are aimed at disadvantaging non-white voters rather than preventing non-existent fraud, no Trump supporter is going to care.
Now, let's look at the early voting window, in North Carolina.
I'm not sure what problem, or fraud, or whatever anomaly, was identified as being perpetrated in the early voting window. And why reducing it from 17 to 10 days would solve whatever that problem was. (Any info gratefully received on this topic maybe it was a cost thing ;hmm .)
Anyway.
N. Carolina did some data gathering. They collected information on who use the early-voting window, and at what points, then broke this information down by racial grups.
what periods of the 17-day early voting window. The data showed that whites used it much less than African-Americans overall. Also, that for the African-Americans this difference was particularly marked in the 1st week of that period, as well as the 2 Sundays - it was common for 'black' churches to organise buses on the 2 Sundays to take people to vote. I
So, what did North Carolina do?
Go on. Guess.
The bill legislated to reduce the length of the window - from 17 to 10 days.
It eliminated thereby one of the Sundays avalaible for early voting.
So tell me - what problem did that solve?
And did it CAUSE more problems for white voters or non-white voters.
NE i am glad you value my opinion, seems to me Obama has moved it the most recently over to you...
;wink
I don't know the full range of which IDs were banned and preferred, but at least one form of 'banned' IDs was a photo ID, based on the text of the court document.
i dont see an issue with requiring all adults over 18 to have a valid government issued id to vote.
That just seems logical to me
However
I think I will now have to revert to sausages, chips and beans
And there is nowt wrong with that, (as my mancunian father would say)