The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50
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We would still be dealing with the EU, we just wouldn't be in the EU.
Have you ever completed intrastat returns, Eu sales lists, reverse charging on vat returns, etc etc?
None of these are required for trading with a Chinese or Swiss company, etc etc
Such as the OJEU is (Offical Journal of the European Union) which, if we left the EU, we would no longer comply with and therefore be able to tender out public spending jobs just to companies in the UK.
Actually, thinking about it, that could be a boost to British jobs, public spending could be fullfilled by British companies instead of having to open up tenders across the EU.
Not dissimilar to the love in between George Osborne and the boss of Google uk
It has seemed to me from the posts on here that all the expats living in Europe want the UK to stay in but I don't see how the UK voting to leave would affect them directly. If, say, Italy wanted to leave I wouldn't necessarily be campaigning for them to remain because I can't see how it directly impacts on me.
Loved the bit from Lord McAlpine (who was yes campaign treasurer) - "we used to meet at the Dorchester because a member of my family owned it" - "the budget (for the campaign) was unlimited, money just poured in and we only spent about half of it"
Referring to myself and MrsGrey (hence 'personally')
Free European movement means we have the right to live in Greece without any papers beyond our passport.
In addition, I believe that a UK exit would negatively affect the pound against the Euro (it's already tanked 15 cents in the last 3 months)
For me, whilst the EU organisation is far from perfect, the UK being in it doesn't seem to do us (as in UK citizens) any harm, whilst doing some good.
As I said earlier, I feel it is for the No campaign to offer convincing proof that life outside the EU would benefit the majority of UK citizens.
If they can, I'll vote no, but otherwise, it's yes, assuming I am eligible...
new Greek residency rules/requirements, paperwork, possibly visas
changes to rules on taxation (currently the EU system aims to stop 'double taxation')
possible changes to rule for UK citizens to work or own property in Greece
Would there be changes to vehicle ownership rules/drivers licensing?
Transferring money from UK bank accounts to our Greek bank account is simple - transfers within EU are easy - if UK was out, how would that work?
Internet shopping from companies in UK - currently no customs charges, import duties etc because UK is part of EU.
Medical treatment at state clinics/hospitals would presumably be stopped....
;ok
I am one of those who know what it was like pre our joining the EU and given that should the vote be to leave it will take years to determine how it will work I may well not be around when it finally comes to pass so may not be able to enlighten you as to how pre joining and post leaving compares.
What more does man have to do ;lol
TBH I do think there is a problem
With free movement only because EU is a 3 tier system wealth and economic wise and this does put a strain on the richer economies and because some countries have free healthcare more generous benifits higher standard of living it attracts mainly unskilled workers but I do not pretend I have the answer call me Dave certainily hasnt negotiated anything better but it is a fact that it is a problem ;ok
The way George Osborne deals with the creaking NHS and education systems is to continually rip the heart out of "middle England" - they are the ones expected to pay for it.
At the moment I am still on the fence. Part of me thinks that we are better to stay in and try to help reform the EU from within. Although the cynic in me thinks that we will never get anywhere and that too often it seems that Germany or France block what may be best for us.
It is that which then makes me think we would be better off on our own as we can then regain some of the powers that we seem to have lost. But at the same time I don't want us to become a small minded nation closed off to the rest of the world. I also don't want the average person on the street to be left worse off if the EU makes our exit difficult for us.
It is very important for us to find the right balance in retaining our culture and heritage but also contributing, adapting and helping lead the world forward to be a better place for all. I think that London will always be a multicultural city that will draw people in from all over the world. I also think that with new technology and advances coming in if we were to exit it would be easier to remain connected still. Things like visa's and banking are already online and I can only see that becoming more so in the future. If we do leave we will still be a world player but would we be more so if we stayed in?
I was hoping that by writing this down it might help me swing one way more than the other, however for each argument/point I make I can find a counter argument. I think my biggest fear is that each politician or member state of the EU is out to do what is best for them or gives them the most power and not what is alway best for the most people in the long term.
I hope that one day we reach a point that we as a collective always look to do what is best, however unfortunately I don't think that we will ever be rid of the horrible flaw in human nature that is greed which almost always leads to corruption. Anyway that is heading off topic now so will end my ramblings.
As you know, I'm more than happy for our nation to continue serving under yours.
However, please can you help me create the impression to my gullible electorate that I have really battled hard and secured some fantastic concessions for the UK - ones which my all time idol Margaret Thatcher would have been proud of. Of course I'm more than happy, as discussed for these then to be rescinded as soon as possible, but I just need to get this annoying June 23rd thing out of the way.
Yours always
(Call me) Dave
An observation time and time again Pro mention trading with Europe and it part of Global economy yet my understanding is that global economy is all about world free trade ending tariffs etc which is slowly progressing so ;cake and eat comes to mind
Although my instincts are out I have come to a unique solution I shall ask my Children what they intend to vote for and follow majority decision I feel at 58
The outcome is not going to overly affect me and this is a long term thing so I owe it to them luckily Ive got 3 so it cant be level vote ;ok
Our HR were that bad kept banging on about workers rights have they having a giraffe I just TUPE lost my pension ;angry
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/504604/Alternatives_to_membership_-_possible_models_for_the_UK_outside_the_EU.pdf