The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50

grey_til_I_dye

MrsGrey said:

baracks - if MI5, or the dodgy Remainers want to rig the election, they won't do it by tampering with the ballot boxes to extract and alter ballot papers,. They'll just have pre-filled, rigged result ballot boxes and use those for the count ;ok ;wink

Worked in the last 2 elections...

MrsGrey

;doh I've let the cat out of the bag haven't I.

oops, why is there a stealth helicopter hovering over the house with guys in black rapelling d6ugi k9x.,;[i7l




aargh

baracks_a_hammer

I just don't know what put the thought in my mind but subconsciously it did - I've never given it a second thought in anything else I've ever voted for

It is such a manual process involving crossings off on sheets of paper when you get in, and then your ballot sheet will be handled no doubt by numerous folk who will have a strong view one way or another...

;hmm

madridhammer

In.
It's an absolute no-brainer for me because I live & work in Madrid.Sure,there is a hell of a lot wrong with the EU but we are better in than out.If we remain we need to bring all the members states to the table & re-negociate the treaty.You can't have Belgian boats fishing off the Cornish coast & local fishing villages dying because of it.I'm sure there are examples too of the shoe being on the other foot & British companies push out local workers.
The EU has managed to stop our respective countries fighting bitter wars with each other & has generally been a positive thing for Europe.We would be isolated & at the back of the queue when it comes to trade & unlike Norway where there is lots of natural resources & a small population we would struggle to support ourselves.The pound would probably be devalued & we would be worse off as a nation.

baracks_a_hammer

Disagree on a number of fronts Madrid, but appreciate that your views at least in part may be reflected by your residency and circumstances

"The need to renegotiate the treaty"?? With so many parties at the table with their own vested interests this is a tough/impossible thing to do - and even if it is claimed to have been done, some greater power would have the power to overrule and/or change it anyway

Also I don't believe the EU has stopped countries being at war with each other

Additionally, I personally would rather live in country with a smaller economy but existing more within its means and less people reliant on its social structure - if I wanted a big powerhouse economy that is growing I could choose China - would I want to live there? Probably not.

And there is no evidence whatsoever that we'd be at the "back of the queue" for trade deals - to be honest I've been worn down by the various remain spokespeople trotting out this line endlessly in the media...

ironmike44

Madrid - so no self interest involved aye? ;wink

We need to bring all the member states to the table and renegotiate the treaty - best of luck with that!

Stopped fighting bitter wars - think you will find that was NATO.

ASLEFshrugged

I voted Remain, anything Boris thinks is a good idea must be wrong.

ironmike44

I voted leave - anything Alan Sugar thinks is a good idea must be wrong - this decision making is easy peasy isn't it. ;wink

OldCastleSwift

ASLEF ;ok I don't want to live in a world where Johnson, Gove and Farage have any influence.

ASLEFshrugged

In 1974 Turkey and Greece went to war over Cyprus when they were both NATO member states

TwistandShout

I've voted...

madridhammer

ironmike44 said:

Madrid - so no self interest involved aye? ;wink

We need to bring all the member states to the table and renegotiate the treaty - best of luck with that!

Stopped fighting bitter wars - think you will find that was NATO.

Iron Mike-I would be able to apply for residency here & though it would be inconvenient & bureaucratic I could still live here.
My main concern is the well being of the UK & I believe our interest is in & not out.I didn't put this in before but seeing one or two others have mentioned it the thought of Johnson as PM terrifies me & the thought of Farage having any influence at all over how the country is run would make me want to move to the Antarctic to get away!!!!
Anyway,a difference of opinion but that's the great thing about our democracy.Let's hope that this whole issue gets put to bed tonight but I have a funny feeling it won't whoever wins.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

billybondsbeard said:

Had a surreal moment in the village square just now.
Speaking to two late middle aged lady voters I know just coming back from the hall from voting. When I asked how they had voted, they both said 'leave'.
When I asked why, one of them said, "well, we want to be independant and keep the Royal Family".... The other one nodded
I am truly speechless at the astonishing ignorance of some of our voters - after all the available facts to read, that could possibly be a reaction/reason ??
I am depressed ;doh

Ahhh... the power of the media and especially the tabloid, plus if you bother to look Social media and even one of our very owners.

I almost guarantee you some WHU fans have voted #Remain (or should that be #Romaine) because they think Dimitri Payet won't be able to play for us come August

;biggrin

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Romaine28 said:

Have we left yet?

#7-10

baracks_a_hammer

Tell you what it is absolutely lashing it down out there - there must be quite a few people who will choose to stay indoors in the dry rather than go out and have their say this evening...

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

ASLEFshrugged said:

I voted Remain, anything Boris thinks is a good idea must be wrong.

Well he thought us moving in to the OS was a brilliant idea.....

ironmike44

Madrid ;ok

Think your right about this not being 'the end of it' - in my view 'the genie is well and truly out of the bottle'.

baracks_a_hammer

Have to admit, I was trying to wait and see which way Luke was going to go and be guided by his decision but he hasn't shown up today so sadly I had to make my decision alone

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Can we have a picture of Rav suit and tie, placed on this article please......

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36602702

As I scrolled down the pictures, my first thought was that it appeared really scarey as to who are involved from all angles in being leaders in the UK.

Really, really scarey

baracks_a_hammer

Ironmike/Madrid

You are both right - the Scotland vote was supposed to put that issue to bed once and for all....

;hmm

;lol

IronHerb

baracks_a_hammer said:

Have to admit, I was trying to wait and see which way Luke was going to go and be guided by his decision but he hasn't shown up today so sadly I had to make my decision alone

He's busy rubbing out X's on voting papers at the moment ;lol

Ravel49

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Can we have a picture of Rav suit and tie, placed on this article please......

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36602702

As I scrolled down the pictures, my first thought was that it appeared really scarey as to who are involved from all angles in being leaders in the UK.

Really, really scarey

;lol

Hopefully there won't have to be any 'transfers' to report

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

It really really is a bit worrying, everytime I see a post by you, my brain automatically flicks to your suit/yellow tie number.....

Every
Bloomin
Time

;lol

OldCastleSwift

#referendumhype

MrsGrey

You've got that picture saved and backed up, haven't you? ;lol

OldCastleSwift

MrsGrey said:

You've got that picture saved and backed up, haven't you? ;lol

;biggrin

#wallpaper

MrsGrey

;lol

Ravel49

#weddinghype ;wink ;carew

thornburyiron

Madrid there will be no new treaty or reform. Junker and merkel have both stated that all negotiations are finished. The EU really needs reforming but it's never going to happen. Reform would not be in the interests of Germany and its lapdog France.

MrsGrey

Just had confirmation from our proxy in the UK - both mine and Grey's votes are in.


I'm sure she was only joking when she said she backed Nige for a win.

;puzzled