Madrid there will be no new treaty or reform. Junker and merkel have both stated that all negotiations are finished. The EU really needs reforming but it's never going to happen. Reform would not be in the interests of Germany and its lapdog France.
I wouldn't worry too much. Tory Party rules for electing a new leader are that if there are more than two candidates the MPs hold a series of ballots with whoever gets the least votes being eliminated until there are only two left.
Boris is popular with the media but he's not quite so well regarded by his fellow MPs, a lot of them remember he lied to the party about his affair with Petronella Wyatt in 2004 and he's hardly been inactive on the extra martial front over the last twelve years, too much of a liability for a future leader.
Its more likely that Osborne will take over from Cameron with Teresa May or Liam Fox as outsiders.
Cameron ill go down as worse decision maker ever..lets have a vote? Osbourne too posh for most May, worse Home Secretary I served under, she has demoralised the Police Service Fox hiding in his lair presumably, not been seen much
Just had confirmation from our proxy in the UK - both mine and Grey's votes are in.
I'm sure she was only joking when she said she backed Nige for a win.
;puzzled
Yeh, I bumped into your proxy earlier - I said I'd offer to "take care" of yours and grey's slips to save her from getting drenched in the rain. She gladly accepted. Hope that's ok?? Only trying to do a good turn after all....
The Leave have issued a lot of information in leaflets (anything up to 6 page A5 pamphlets) and even did an 8 page metro style news paper, all of which make well thought out and compelling arguments to leave,
They put their BNP money to good use, then. ;hmm
Did they include the 'Turks, coming to rape our white women!' line.
No point in trying with people who have views like yours, why do you assume the BNP is involved? Are you implying that you think I am a BNP supporting Racist? At least I am open to listening to both sides of the arguments without pre-judging anyone, as far as I know in all the information I have been given by the leave campaign in my area - none of it was supported by or with BNP money.
Don't know where you got that line from (about the Turks) but it appears in none of the literature I have been sent. Also I used to work for a company owned by a Turkish Cypriot and still keep in contact with him and some of the others who I worked with, so I would not think that and find it offensive you would assume I do.
FYI , they took every issue from immigration, the economy, trade, the impact on jobs and others and to be fair not only put their view but also the remains which they then countered.
Don't know where you got that line from (about the Turks)
From Farage - not part of the 'official' Vote Leave, true, but a very public face of the Brexit campaign: “if we are prepared to accept ... young males, from countries and cultures [he was referring toa point he made earlier about Turks] where women are at best second-class citizens then frankly, what do you expect [referring to sexual molestation and harrasment of women]
so I would not think that and find it offensive you would assume I do.
I didn't assume t and didn't say that you do. I asked if the 'Leave' literature repeated or alluded to this public statement which has been made as part of a case for Leave.
Yeh, I bumped into your proxy earlier - I said I'd offer to "take care" of yours and grey's slips to save her from getting drenched in the rain. She gladly accepted. Hope that's ok?? Only trying to do a good turn after all....
;hmm
No worries. Those crosses are being rubbed out even as we speak. ;whistle
A former BNP member donated £600,000. Fact - So it is not BNP money then, it was his own so the original statement is fiction.
I am not PRE-judging anyone - yes you are, the nature of your comments indicates that, why else would you make them otherwise.
I assumed a lot of things from the tone and nature of your comments, you may not have said any of them directly but that's how it read to me as inferred and there is nothing you can say that will change that view.
Regardless of the result it's daft quoting BNP donating to leave but ignoring Goldman Sachs et al hugely funding remain. Big banks are second in the corruption stakes to FIFA. It is what it is but Europe is becoming vastly eurosceptic so I still maintain a referendum at this point in time was a mistake.
Personally i dont see the benefit of double regulations & laws just more pigs at the trough Seems alot like FIFA to me just another layer of unwanted burocracy - i dont get a vote but mine would have been out
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I'm sure she was only joking when she said she backed Nige for a win.
;puzzled
Boris is popular with the media but he's not quite so well regarded by his fellow MPs, a lot of them remember he lied to the party about his affair with Petronella Wyatt in 2004 and he's hardly been inactive on the extra martial front over the last twelve years, too much of a liability for a future leader.
Its more likely that Osborne will take over from Cameron with Teresa May or Liam Fox as outsiders.
Osbourne too posh for most
May, worse Home Secretary I served under, she has demoralised the Police Service
Fox hiding in his lair presumably, not been seen much
lets have a Polar Bear as Pm...
Gideon's hopes of being PM are toast after the IDS affair. No chance for him - he was lucky to still be in number 11.
;hmm
Don't know where you got that line from (about the Turks) but it appears in none of the literature I have been sent. Also I used to work for a company owned by a Turkish Cypriot and still keep in contact with him and some of the others who I worked with, so I would not think that and find it offensive you would assume I do.
FYI , they took every issue from immigration, the economy, trade, the impact on jobs and others and to be fair not only put their view but also the remains which they then countered.
A former BNP member donated £600,000. Fact. No. I have no idea if you are, or not. I can't imply something if I don't believe it.
But some who are part of the 'Leave' lobby are. Fact.
I am not PRE-judging anyone.
I am, however, forming ideas and judgements based on information in the public domain. Isn't that basically the point?
From Farage - not part of the 'official' Vote Leave, true, but a very public face of the Brexit campaign: “if we are prepared to accept ... young males, from countries and cultures [he was referring toa point he made earlier about Turks] where women are at best second-class citizens then frankly, what do you expect [referring to sexual molestation and harrasment of women] I didn't assume t and didn't say that you do. I asked if the 'Leave' literature repeated or alluded to this public statement which has been made as part of a case for Leave.
Nope. You are still assuming things i never said.
I mean, no err......*cough*
Not as unbelievable as her reason for doing so.
I am not PRE-judging anyone - yes you are, the nature of your comments indicates that, why else would you make them otherwise.
I assumed a lot of things from the tone and nature of your comments, you may not have said any of them directly but that's how it read to me as inferred and there is nothing you can say that will change that view.
It is what it is but Europe is becoming vastly eurosceptic so I still maintain a referendum at this point in time was a mistake.
I'm sure the result will 'just' be in favour of remaining...