I won't stand for this - The thread all about standing at the OS.

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  • Putney_HammerPutney_Hammer
    One more game with trouble and I can see us playing games behind closed doors until they sort this.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    I heard they are making segregation between the away end and home supporters larger. But the other big problem is the inside fighting between hammers fans and "sitting" vs "standing" debacle / protest. Whatever you want to label it as.
  • eskimokingeskimoking
    IronHerb said:

    eski,

    The Met said they told the stadium owners in 2014 about this. They came back and said it is now 80% installed and they expect to have it complete for the first Cat 'C' game which is Arsenal on December 3rd. ;ok

    Ok, so the order isn't through the Police, it's through the stadium owners? Who is that? I can check the status of it ;wink
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I think the 'in fighting' has taken us all by surprise, especially the club and landlords.
    There was a bit of a rebuke to the club when LS185 said that ticketing is the cause of some of the problems such as the stand/sit in fighting

    The two/three seat separation between home and away fans is nonsense. It was around 10 seat separation in the STB lower at the Boleyn so how that was missed is poor. Fans taking alcohol into the seating area has been illegal since all seater came in so is another poor oversight.
  • eskimokingeskimoking
    I think the 10 seats shouldn't be necessary and people should stop acting like Neanderthals.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    I also think it is important to keep things in perspective: over 270 000 people have been to games at the stadium so far and how many have been involved in fisticuffs?

    It is a tiny %.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    But supposedly they have been banned ? so if it kicks off again against Accrington / Southampton then something is happening inside the stadium enough that even after banning multiple people it still happens.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Oh! It's ok then.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2016
    Yeoldhammer said:

    But supposedly they have been banned ? so if it kicks off again against Accrington / Southampton then something is happening inside the stadium enough that even after banning multiple people it still happens.

    I don't really get what you are saying.

    Are you saying ALL the people who have been causing problems have been banned? Because I don't think that's the case.

    And even if that were so, there will be 'new' people going to future games that wouldn't have been at previous ones.

    ;puzzled
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    then what is the case ? they have banned a select few that's daft then, surely its a policy if fighting happens you get banned end of story. If they haven't all being banned then there is definite failings in the stewardship and management of the stadium CCTV E.T.C.

    I don't believe either that suddenly at Accrington and Southampton we will have a host of new people that will suddenly kick off and start a rumble. Considering there are how many season ticket holders?
  • IrondukeIronduke
    Police no longer cover inside arenas, stadia etc. They Police the streets outside based on intel received. They will only enter stadium if requested by owners if a crime is in progress or other life threatening event. To have Police inside grounds now has to paid for by the organiser/owner etc, not the public and requested months in advance. When I first went to Police Watford, a cat C match was 300plus officers and about 8 dogs...B 180-230, and A 100-150..thhere was occasionally trouble but there enough of us to deal with it...dogs are best ... I saw 5 dogs and handlers see off 400 gooners at Watford....no one wants to get bitten..and they dont recognise uniforms, best place to be is behind the dog!
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Sorry Ironduke but that's not the case anymore. There are often police in the grounds, some in the bar area and some in the segregation zone. I've only seen dogs at Tottenham, apart from sniffer dogs that are at a few grounds.
  • IrondukeIronduke
    no need to be sorry,my input is 7 yrs old.....but there are none at WEST HAM
  • eskimokingeskimoking
    Here you go. So Airwave is my company. As far as I can see they still haven't ordered it from us.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/13/west-ham-olympic-stadium-radio-system-met-police?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Problem is with the BBC being the most non impartial media organisation going, all these problems are giving them big sticks to beat us with
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    What's it got to do with the BBC? This mostly all our own doing.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Name me one media organisation that IS impartial!!
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    I can't because there isn't any.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Is the correct answer ;wahoo
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Thanks Miss ;biggrin
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Gold ;star on the chart for you.

  • AdMeus_CaputFiliusAdMeus_CaputFilius
    MrsGrey said:

    I also think it is important to keep things in perspective: over 270 000 people have been to games at the stadium so far and how many have been involved in fisticuffs?

    It is a tiny %.


    ;hmm ...... Really, how did you work that out? Or is there some information out there you can quote.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2016
    Well, subject to my not great mental maths skills, I looked at the attendance figures for the home games.

    (They are on the club site, under 'Fixtures and Results' - click on the individual match and go to 'review'. The attendance is down the bottom of the match report ;ok )
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Ooooo a ;star

    ;wahoo
  • HammerexHammerex
    SuzanneClaret said:

    Thanks Miss ;biggrin

    Teachers Pet..
    ;bowdown
  • AdMeus_CaputFiliusAdMeus_CaputFilius
    So not actual individuals then, just based on attendance - 52K ST holders ....... how many have been to every game? or all but 1.....

    So you cant just use a cumulative figure, without actual hard figures about 190,000 ( Just over 70%) of that total could be ST holders who have been to all or most of the games so far, we know from people posting that some CM's and also non-ST/CM's have been twice at least so maybe that would account for another 16,200 (6%), 10,000 (being generous) of the total for away fans.

    Taking that into account the total number of individuals attending the stadium, including all those who have only be once, would be somewhere between 106,000 - 112,000.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    But if you are wanting to limit the attendance to everyone who has been once, and don't double count them, then you have to limit the 'troublemakers' likewise.

    As you say, depend how you calculate it - if you can't use a cumulative figure... how many recidivists were causing trouble at more than one game?

    I still maintain 'naughty' is a very small %.

    Let's go with your guesstimate of between 106 and 112 thousand. Call it 100 thousand.

    1000 people causing trouble?

    1%.

    Very Small.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Small percentage but large number!
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2016
    Yup.

    But then '100 000 West Ham fans have a good time and no problems watching West Ham' don't make for good headlines.


    Ask any neutral, 'what do you know about the move to the new stadium?'

    They'll say... ah, trouble, fans fighting each other, loads of problems with the move, fans are unhappy, they need the police to keep it under control but won't pay for it...
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    And that was my point earlier. Almost exactly how the BBC's Dan Roan has been reporting it.
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