Summer Transfer Window 2023

Bazshuayi

West Ham and Monaco are emerging as main competitors for Folarin Balogun as they are currently the only two clubs capable of meeting Arsenal's £40m-plus asking price....

buffybegood

Bazshuayi said:

I actually believe with some love that Maguire will regain some confidence and do well for us. I just still cant get past the fee.

The fee is the issue; given his age he'll need to be as good as VVD from a couple of seasons ago to justify it.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Can't believe we're spending £30mil on Maguire, a 30 year old defender who confidence and performances are literally rock bottom, the guys value couldn't be lower yet we're lobbing £30mil at him (and I assume his wages are gonna be huge)

The guy single handedly costs Man United goals everytime he plays and looks a shadow of his former self

£30mil isn't a fee we can justify spending to pray his confidence comes back and he's anywhere half decent. Can't play in a back 4, which means we're going back to a 3 which means we are going to be losing an attacker.

Would much rather have thrown the money at Harwood-Beillis. He was exceptional at Burnley last year, is only 21, into the last year of his contract and is actually someone who can be the future of the club (even if it means City buy hin back in a few years for a substantial profit)

JWP on the other hand, is a signing I'm definitely behind. A 7/10 every game with the ability to score and assists consistently at this level for a CM.

Kuchinghammer

Balogun for Scamacca makes absolute sense, especially if we end up playing 3142.
At least the month of chaos has daylight at the end. Pint, please...

mike

What's happened to the Edson Álvarez transfer.Not hearing anything about this now?
All the talk on the back pages about West Ham spending spree but as now our signings are zilch.

Kuchinghammer

Assuming JWP was always in the plan, and Alvarez is the best option to complement him, then all that's needed is a ball-carrying mf and a cf. Maguire... I'll stop while I'm ahead. That pint was strong stuff...

alderz

mike said:

What's happened to the Edson Álvarez transfer.Not hearing anything about this now?
All the talk on the back pages about West Ham spending spree but as now our signings are zilch.

Legend has it he's due to sign today

alderz

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Would much rather have thrown the money at Harwood-Beillis. He was exceptional at Burnley last year, is only 21, into the last year of his contract and is actually someone who can be the future of the club (even if it means City buy hin back in a few years for a substantial profit)

I also would have liked THB. As I said yesterday, I'm not as concerned as some about the age of our squad, but it seems likely that we'll be after an Ogbonna replacement next summer, and getting a youngster in this season would perhaps have helped with settling in and whatever.

That said, THB hasn't played in the Premier League yet, so we don't really have a true idea of his quality. I know he did well in the Championship and the U21s, but the strikers in those competitions aren't of the same quality as the strikers in the Premier League.

Maguire will prove to be a very reliable option for us. It feels pretty short-termist, but I think for the next 3 years or so he'll turn out to be a bit of a fan favourite.

Lukerz

Can we just hurry up & get the Paquetá sale concluded so we have a bit of time to spend the money.

alderz

Lukerz said:

Can we just hurry up & get the Paquetá sale concluded so we have a bit of time to spend the money.

Alternatively, can we not sell Paqueta, and not need to spend any money. Not sure why you're desperate to see the back of him, tbh.

Lukerz

I’m not. I just think it’s a done deal he’s off.

Whitehorsehammer

Lukerz
August 9
Sky report West Ham have no intention of selling Paqueta even if the price is right, as we don’t feel we have enough time to sign a replacement.

OldCastleSwift

alderz said:

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Would much rather have thrown the money at Harwood-Beillis. He was exceptional at Burnley last year, is only 21, into the last year of his contract and is actually someone who can be the future of the club (even if it means City buy hin back in a few years for a substantial profit)

I also would have liked THB. As I said yesterday, I'm not as concerned as some about the age of our squad, but it seems likely that we'll be after an Ogbonna replacement next summer, and getting a youngster in this season would perhaps have helped with settling in and whatever.

I doubt very much that we'll be as cash-rich as we've been this summer (particularly if we sell Paqueta) for a while so I'd like to see us spend some of the money on younger players like THB while we can.

As you say, he could have a season here deputising for the senior pros and with the four competitions and Zouma's injury record he could get some decent pitch time. Then we have Ogbonna's replacement already here and settled next summer.

Forward thinking. Succession planning. Long-term strategy. Things that I don't think have been the clubs forte for a long time now.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Lukerz said:

I’m not. I just think it’s a done deal he’s off.

Why would it be a done deal?

jay_in_cpt

Lukerz said:

I’m not. I just think it’s a done deal he’s off.

Whitehorsehammer said:

Lukerz
August 9
Sky report West Ham have no intention of selling Paqueta even if the price is right, as we don’t feel we have enough time to sign a replacement.

Problem is if he wants out which is being widely reported do we want a player who could upset the balance, not saying he would, just a possibility…

Whitehorsehammer

Widely reported or a few on social media setting hares running?

Fortuneseeker

OCS, "Forward thinking. Succession planning. Long-term strategy. Things that I don't think have been the clubs forte for a long time now."

But surely the signings of Maguire and JWP are evidence of looking to the long term future aren't they?

secrethammersfan

Probably as widely reported as the fact that West Ham don't want James Ward Prowse, or that Southampton are definitely not selling him, or that West Ham have made an offer for James Ward Prowse, or that JWP doesn't want to join West Ham, or that he does want to join West Ham, or 20 million, or 50 million, or ...

IronHerb

mike said:

What's happened to the Edson Álvarez transfer.Not hearing anything about this now?
All the talk on the back pages about West Ham spending spree but as now our signings are zilch.

We're just waiting on one of these inane welcome videos that are the current vogue when a photo of him signing his contract with Moyes alongside would suffice.

IronHerb

Lukerz said:

Can we just hurry up & get the Paquetá sale concluded so we have a bit of time to spend the money.

We've got three weeks. I mean we've just sorted two transfers in one day and three in a week.

jay_in_cpt

Whitehorsehammer said:

Widely reported or a few on social media setting hares running?

secrethammersfan said:

Probably as widely reported as the fact that West Ham don't want James Ward Prowse, or that Southampton are definitely not selling him, or that West Ham have made an offer for James Ward Prowse, or that JWP doesn't want to join West Ham, or that he does want to join West Ham, or 20 million, or 50 million, or ...

Yeh, who knows if it’s true or not, speculation think it’s called 🤣🤷‍♂️

OldCastleSwift

The very fact that he has a release clause at all is quite telling. I know they're common nowadays, but any player insisting on them is a red flag in my eyes.

I've actually surprised myself because I'm not that bothered about Paqueta going (if, indeed, he does). Looking at his career, he hasn't hung around any club for long, and it looks like his West Ham career was always only going to be a maximum of two years.

Great player, obviously, but we only really saw that in the latter stages of the season. If he was committed to the cause I'd like him to stay, but my gut feeling is that if he wants to go, he may not show the level of commitment that we want.

To be honest, the Scamacca and (potentially) Paqueta situations (and Haller and Anderson before them) have put me off these types of signings. I suspect neither had a burning desire last summer to play for West Ham, and it looks like they got sold the idea (London, PL wages, 60k stadium etc.) by agents who they have both since binned off.

I'd much rather we looked at younger talent in the lower leagues that would see West Ham as a step up and would actually want to play for them. Bowen being a prime example.

BubblesNeverDies

Very good article about transfer negotiations and well worth a read.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66439672

Lukerz

Whitehorsehammer said:

Lukerz
August 9
Sky report West Ham have no intention of selling Paqueta even if the price is right, as we don’t feel we have enough time to sign a replacement.

Personally, I don’t think this is the case.

secrethammersfan

OldCastleSwift said:

The very fact that he has a release clause at all is quite telling. I know they're common nowadays, but any player insisting on them is a red flag in my eyes.

The release clause is almost always added at the insistence of the club.

IronHerb

OldCastleSwift said:

The very fact that he has a release clause at all is quite telling. I know they're common nowadays, but any player insisting on them is a red flag in my eyes.

I've actually surprised myself because I'm not that bothered about Paqueta going (if, indeed, he does). Looking at his career, he hasn't hung around any club for long, and it looks like his West Ham career was always only going to be a maximum of two years.

Great player, obviously, but we only really saw that in the latter stages of the season. If he was committed to the cause I'd like him to stay, but my gut feeling is that if he wants to go, he may not show the level of commitment that we want.

To be honest, the Scamacca and (potentially) Paqueta situations (and Haller and Anderson before them) have put me off these types of signings. I suspect neither had a burning desire last summer to play for West Ham, and it looks like they got sold the idea (London, PL wages, 60k stadium etc.) by agents who they have both since binned off.

I'd much rather we looked at younger talent in the lower leagues that would see West Ham as a step up and would actually want to play for them. Bowen being a prime example.

A number have written about resale values and this is, likely, a consequence of that process

Lukerz

https://twitter.com/skysports_sheth/status/1689550635681583105

OldCastleSwift

secrethammersfan said:

OldCastleSwift said:

The very fact that he has a release clause at all is quite telling. I know they're common nowadays, but any player insisting on them is a red flag in my eyes.

The release clause is almost always added at the insistence of the club.

How is that logical though? A release clause forces a club to let a player go if a sufficient bid is made, whether they want to sell or not. If the club don't add one, they're not obliged to sell a player unless they want to. A club adding a release clause gives the power to the player, no?

I always saw it as a player/agent asking for a release clause so the club couldn't hold them to a long-term contract if they got interest from a bigger club that were prepared to meet the figure.

Fortuneseeker

For what it's worth the clause is £85 million in 2024 but Manchester City are trying to buy him now for a lot less?

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Release clause would come from the player/agent side.

We don’t need to sell Paqueta. He has 4 years left so that’s a long time to sulk. If there’s an £85M release clause next summer, have a good season and prove you’re worth it.

Throwing a strop now and ending up in the reserves isn’t going to help with that. Or keeping your place in the Brazil team.