Summer Transfer Window 2023

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  • IronHerbIronHerb
    OldCastleSwift said:

    Hamstew said:

    Fornals is leaving?

    Well, linked to Betis. Pellegrini signed him for West Ham so maybe just a lazy link, but there's supposed interest.

    https://onefootball.com/en/news/lo-celso-and-fornals-betis-ultimate-pursuit-37882792
    Well, £50m seems to be the going rate for midfielders at the moment so let's ask £60m.

    (I don't want Fornals to go.)
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    The more I think about this, the more I think Moyes should have gone after the final.

    I get that Steidten is entrusted with transfers for the future of the club which is a good thing imo but seriously doubt they will fit Moyes style.

    So for me a wasted season, when a new manager could have been at the helm along with Steidten and brought in on the ‘new’ project over say 3 years for example.

    Rather than one year wasted when again imo Moyes will be gone next season or before.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    I don't think I agree that Moyes should have gone but I do think perhaps it's a weird thing to bring in a director like Steidten and not a new manager. If Steidten is supposed to be part of putting in place a playing style and certain type of player to ensure continuity between managers, then you need a manager who is bought into that ideology. That's a lot harder with a manager who's already been in place several years and pretty much has his way of doing things. It seems like an almost inevitable source of conflict.
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    Cheaper to keep Moyes
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Ravel49 said:

    So for me a wasted season, when a new manager could have been at the helm along with Steidten and brought in on the ‘new’ project over say 3 years for example.

    Rather than one year wasted when again imo Moyes will be gone next season or before.

    We've not even kicked off in the first match of the season and its already wasted!

    I'm looking forward to it, especially being in the Europa League again
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    Just my opinion 👍🏻
    Biggest window in years for me after Rice going and the cash that has generated.
    And should be invested on the longer term vision of the club not 1 season, when again for me it will be all change.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    OutcastLondoner said:

    I don't think I agree that Moyes should have gone but I do think perhaps it's a weird thing to bring in a director like Steidten and not a new manager. If Steidten is supposed to be part of putting in place a playing style and certain type of player to ensure continuity between managers, then you need a manager who is bought into that ideology. That's a lot harder with a manager who's already been in place several years and pretty much has his way of doing things. It seems like an almost inevitable source of conflict.

    Especially as Moyes has been insistent he has the final say wrt signings.
    EXETERHAMMER said:

    Cheaper to keep Moyes

    You do always feel that Sully is reluctant to sack a manager if it's going to cost money unless he feels relegation is a real threat. When Allardyce was here, that last season felt like it was inevitable that he wasn't going to be offered a new contract, so we were treading water, and, tbh, I get the same sort of vibe now.

    Moyes is kinda old school, he's a manager not a coach (not saying he doesn't coach as well) in that he wants/demands to have control of the players at his disposal (ie the buying and selling of players), yet the appointment of Steidten seems at odds with that type of manager.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited July 2023
    Ravel49 said:

    The more I think about this, the more I think Moyes should have gone after the final.

    I get that Steidten is entrusted with transfers for the future of the club which is a good thing imo but seriously doubt they will fit Moyes style.

    So for me a wasted season, when a new manager could have been at the helm along with Steidten and brought in on the ‘new’ project over say 3 years for example.

    Rather than one year wasted when again imo Moyes will be gone next season or before.

    Yeah, I think Moyes should have gone. I get the reasons why Sullivan kept him on, but with a new technical director and a new approach to things, bringing in a new manager that Steidten chose himself would perhaps have been the cleanest solution.

    As it is, I'm not sure what Moyes would have to do to get an extension, but I think it's a good bet that he'll be gone by this time next year. If we're signing Moyes players this summer, only to have to potentially replace them when the new bloke comes in, then I agree that it's a wasted season in terms of the long-term progression as we'd basically just be delaying the next era by twelve months.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    OldCastleSwift said:

    Ravel49 said:

    The more I think about this, the more I think Moyes should have gone after the final.

    I get that Steidten is entrusted with transfers for the future of the club which is a good thing imo but seriously doubt they will fit Moyes style.

    So for me a wasted season, when a new manager could have been at the helm along with Steidten and brought in on the ‘new’ project over say 3 years for example.

    Rather than one year wasted when again imo Moyes will be gone next season or before.

    As it is, I'm not sure what Moyes would have to do to get an extension, but I think it's a good bet that he'll be gone by this time next year.
    I don't really get this. There seems to be some certainty around that Moyes will be gone next year. Unless we spend another season in relegation trouble AND don't go deep in Europe, I see him signing a new contract.
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    This is a transitional summer for me
    And that would have been better served under a new manager, giving them time to bed in their new methods and their own players.
    Next seasons going to be even tougher without Rice and a next level up in terms of European competition .
    I don’t reckon Moyes will get a new deal imo
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

    OldCastleSwift said:

    Ravel49 said:

    The more I think about this, the more I think Moyes should have gone after the final.

    I get that Steidten is entrusted with transfers for the future of the club which is a good thing imo but seriously doubt they will fit Moyes style.

    So for me a wasted season, when a new manager could have been at the helm along with Steidten and brought in on the ‘new’ project over say 3 years for example.

    Rather than one year wasted when again imo Moyes will be gone next season or before.

    As it is, I'm not sure what Moyes would have to do to get an extension, but I think it's a good bet that he'll be gone by this time next year.
    I don't really get this. There seems to be some certainty around that Moyes will be gone next year. Unless we spend another season in relegation trouble AND don't go deep in Europe, I see him signing a new contract.
    I think he starts the league season on pretty thin ice, to be honest. The cup win papered over some pretty large cracks in terms of our domestic form, IMO.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    edited July 2023
    OldCastleSwift said:

    Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

    OldCastleSwift said:

    Ravel49 said:

    The more I think about this, the more I think Moyes should have gone after the final.

    I get that Steidten is entrusted with transfers for the future of the club which is a good thing imo but seriously doubt they will fit Moyes style.

    So for me a wasted season, when a new manager could have been at the helm along with Steidten and brought in on the ‘new’ project over say 3 years for example.

    Rather than one year wasted when again imo Moyes will be gone next season or before.

    As it is, I'm not sure what Moyes would have to do to get an extension, but I think it's a good bet that he'll be gone by this time next year.
    I don't really get this. There seems to be some certainty around that Moyes will be gone next year. Unless we spend another season in relegation trouble AND don't go deep in Europe, I see him signing a new contract.
    I think he starts the league season on pretty thin ice, to be honest. The cup win papered over some pretty large cracks in terms of our domestic form, IMO.
    I get that's your opinion (and others) but does Sullivan feel the same? Most of the league season last year was dire and Sullivan stuck with him.

    EDIT: I'm asking 'does Sullivan feel the same' rhetorically, rather than suggesting you would know.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    I guess we'll have this kind of speculation until (we hear of) a contract offer. It The trophy win apparently wasn't enough to get him an offer, so it does feel like he's got to prove himself. So I can see where the belief that he'll be gone next summer comes from.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

    OldCastleSwift said:

    Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

    OldCastleSwift said:

    Ravel49 said:

    The more I think about this, the more I think Moyes should have gone after the final.

    I get that Steidten is entrusted with transfers for the future of the club which is a good thing imo but seriously doubt they will fit Moyes style.

    So for me a wasted season, when a new manager could have been at the helm along with Steidten and brought in on the ‘new’ project over say 3 years for example.

    Rather than one year wasted when again imo Moyes will be gone next season or before.

    As it is, I'm not sure what Moyes would have to do to get an extension, but I think it's a good bet that he'll be gone by this time next year.
    I don't really get this. There seems to be some certainty around that Moyes will be gone next year. Unless we spend another season in relegation trouble AND don't go deep in Europe, I see him signing a new contract.
    I think he starts the league season on pretty thin ice, to be honest. The cup win papered over some pretty large cracks in terms of our domestic form, IMO.
    I get that's your opinion (and others) but does Sullivan feel the same? Most of the league season last year was dire and Sullivan stuck with him.

    EDIT: I'm asking 'does Sullivan feel the same' rhetorically, rather than suggesting you would know.
    From what I've read, which could, of course, be nonsense, it was Gold that pushed to re-hire Moyes post-Pellegrini and Sullivan wasn't that keen, and last season Sullivan had his finger on the trigger several times but Moyes kept on finding that one win to hold on.

    Personally, I think it's the pay off that Sullivan has wanted to avoid, so if he can get rid for nothing next summer, then barring a top six finish and/or a cup win, I think Moyes will be gone.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Anyway, transfers.

    We signed anyone yet?
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Closing in on the signing of Scott McWard-Gallagher.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited July 2023
    The idea that Moyes has got to in any way prove himself to anybody at West Ham is ridiculous (IMO).

    Two relegation survivals, two top 7 finishes, three consecutive seasons in Europe & a trophy. All in four years.

    It was only a few seasons ago a fantastic season for us was being in the top 10 & having a positive GD.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Lukerz said:

    The idea that Moyes has got to in any way prove himself to anybody at West Ham is ridiculous (IMO).

    Two relegation survivals, two top 7 finishes, three consecutive seasons in Europe & a trophy. All in four years.

    It was only a few seasons ago a fantastic season for us was being in the top 10 & having a positive GD.

    I mean it in the sense that it seems all of that hasn't been enough to get him a new contract and so it seems getting a new contract is dependent on performance this season, rather than on previous achievements.

    Maybe he has had a new contract offer but it feels like one of those things we would've heard rumours of by now.
  • Giant_HammerGiant_Hammer
    I know Lukerz but imo our pl form by and large has been pretty diabolical since about February 2022 and the European adventures did, I think, definitely distract from that reality.
  • SlackerSlacker
    Regarding short term / long term signings and long term projects.
    Nobody gets time these days do they? Certainly not managers or “ directors of football “🤷🏻‍♂️
    I would imagine that most signings are bought to win games that season.
  • HamstewHamstew
    edited July 2023
    Slacker said:

    Regarding short term / long term signings and long term projects.
    Nobody gets time these days do they? Certainly not managers or “ directors of football “🤷🏻‍♂️
    I would imagine that most signings are bought to win games that season.

    I was kind of thinking about this on the way home today but more so with players. Like Paqueta, if he has a stormer of a season with us there is no way he stays with us for the next one after if someone bids big imo.
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    edited July 2023
    That is why it is so important to have a quality youth squad, and to buy players from the Championship as well as marquee signings. One or two of them may shine and hopefully stay for a few years..........
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    But now Sky say Mctominooooo and Maguire have held initial talks with West Ham
  • HamstewHamstew
    EXETERHAMMER said:

    But now Sky say Mctominooooo and Maguire have held initial talks with West Ham

    I'm really struggling to get on board with this.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    I know this is supposed to be the transfer thread but Moyes has been the most successful manager we've had since Sullivan & Co bought the club.

    It took four managers and 10 seasons before we finally settled on Moyes, if he goes at the end of the season I am not particularly confident in the boards ability to find a decent replacement
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    That is really cheerful news Exeter.......not!

    Didn't Mr Sullivan say something about honouring David Moyes contract no mention of "we are going to offer him a new one"? Don't the fans have some input on whether we keep him on anyway?

    @Lukerz, I reckon he still has to prove himself and trying to get McTom & Maguire isn't going to do that we with me ......Sorry!
  • LukerzLukerz
    100% doesn’t have to prove himself. Makes you wonder what any West Ham manager has to do to prove themselves if Moyes hasn’t.
  • HamstewHamstew
    EXETERHAMMER said:

    But now Sky say Mctominooooo and Maguire have held initial talks with West Ham

    Sounds like the valuations for both players from both clubs is well off. Good!
  • LukerzLukerz
    McTominay I’d like. When your options are Downes & Soucek. Maguire I’m not fussed about.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Fortuneseeker said:

    Didn't Mr Sullivan say something about honouring David Moyes contract no mention of "we are going to offer him a new one"?

    Sullivan said

    "We believed in him. We came in for a lot of pressure from supporters, the press and everyone who seemed mad on making changes but we believe in honouring contracts. David had a contract with us and has a contract with us until next summer and next summer we'll look at it again."
    Fortuneseeker said:

    Don't the fans have some input on whether we keep him on anyway?

    We have no input whatsoever. The shareholders own the club and they alone decide on whether the manager stays or not
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