Board/Fan Relationship

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

MunichHammer said:

A lot of this is not facts but emotions. And once people get emotional then common sense stops working.

Not in my case it doesn’t. I have great memories of the old place and my common sense is fine.

grey_til_I_dye

Slizzy

You seem to be arguing against things no one has said.

You are free to be as sad over our departure from the Boleyn as you like. However, please also accept that others, who are also Hammers, may not share your feelings.

I would suggest that the times we were difficult to beat had more to do with the sides we put out, than the simple fact that we were playing at the Boleyn.

It isn't, imo, the ground that creates an atmosphere, but the fans.

As has been made clear by those who have been at the LS, on occasions it has rocked as much as the Boleyn ever did.

The common factor in the 'rocking'? Fans getting behind the team.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

I do accept their feelings, I just don’t agree with them, is that okay?

Someone who has been a couple of times thinks that emotion takes over and a lack of common sense is then the order of the day, quite disrespectful imo

That ground was intimidating for many to say it wasn’t or didn’t have that effect at any time in the last 30 is as I mentioned is nonsense, imo .I’ve got a family member a former PL player who is quoted on it, not sure why some appear to be in denial about it, it’s okay it’s doesnt take away from our current home

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

MunichHammer said:

. Upton Park was usually no real benefit to us as far as I can remember.

This is what I disagree with.....his opinion, of course, but 100% disagree with it.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Upton Park was imitimadating but when the west stand was redeveloped both the west and east stands were a fair distance from the pitch and it lost a lot of that

Hamstew

Same

SuzanneClaret

TBH I was a lot more upset when they knocked the north bank down.

grey_til_I_dye

I do accept their feelings, I just don’t agree with them, is that okay?

Yes; that would be where I wrote:

You are free to be as sad over our departure from the Boleyn as you like.

so not sure why the aggressive question.

And these are the bits where I think you are arguing against what no one has said:

That ground was intimidating for many to say it wasn’t or didn’t have that effect at any time in the last 30 is as I mentioned is nonsense, imo

I can't think of anyone who has said that (the ground wasn't ever intimidating), never mind many.

not sure why some appear to be in denial about it,

Who is in denial about it?

it’s okay it’s doesnt take away from our current home

Who has suggested it has?

Hamstew

Kevin kilbane said it on motd2

grey_til_I_dye

Ham

I don't think anyone has suggested that no one said it, or that it was never true.

Cuz1

SCHB, who was your cousin if you don’t mind me asking mate

Hamstew

Sorry I misread your post. Thought you said no one said it was intimidating ;doh

Hamstew

Cuz1 said:

SCHB, who was your cousin if you don’t mind me asking mate

I reckon Ronaldo

OutcastLondoner

Hamstew said:

Cuz1 said:

SCHB, who was your cousin if you don’t mind me asking mate

I reckon Ronaldo

I have it on good authority that it was the great Nigel Quashie.

grey_til_I_dye

Ham

;ok It's not immediately clear from the context. I'll add a bit in brackets.

PrestonHammer

Andy Townsend?

Moojor

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

I do accept their feelings, I just don’t agree with them, is that okay?

Someone who has been a couple of times thinks that emotion takes over and a lack of common sense is then the order of the day, quite disrespectful imo

That ground was intimidating for many to say it wasn’t or didn’t have that effect at any time in the last 30 is as I mentioned is nonsense, imo .I’ve got a family member a former PL player who is quoted on it, not sure why some appear to be in denial about it, it’s okay it’s doesnt take away from our current home

Sorry to say this but, IMO, the ground is never the intimidating part, you play a game behind closed doors at any football ground and you aren't going to be intimidated in any way shape or form, regardless of where the ground is.
Now, how the fans view the ground and how they act is a different story, again IMO, the Boylean was intimidating, when the fans wanted it to be, it was our home, our place.
There is 0 reason why the Olympic stadium can't be just as intimidating, if not more so, given the fact that there is 20k more of us in the place. There is no point clinging to what could be. The Boylean is gone, she has been knocked down, whether you believe you were sold a "lie" or not, we can't turn back the clock.
What we can do, is as supporters of the team, is turn up and make as much noise as possible.
Throughout our lives as adults, we buy and sell houses to improve and change our lot in life, maybe because we have a bigger family, maybe for schools or just because we like the new area. We remember fondly the places that come before, but that doesn't stop us loving the new place we go to.

MrsGrey

Sometimes visiting players were intimidated.

Sometimes they were not.

It was always the same ground. So if it was something intrinsic to the ground, it would always have had the same effect. Which obviously it didn't, so it wasn't.

You could say that because the ground was smaller, the fans were closer to the pitch and this (when the fans were in the right frame of mind) could enhance the effect.

But as moojor says, at the OS you are massively increasing the number of fans.

So now, there are more fans to make a noise and so (when they are in the right frame of mind) the size of the stadium can enhance the intimidatory effect.

2 different stadia, one common factor: the fans.

Vorselaarhammer

The season I picked West Ham as my club 86/87....

Sorry guys all my fault...

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Hamstew said:

Cuz1 said:

SCHB, who was your cousin if you don’t mind me asking mate

I reckon Ronaldo

That did make me ;lol

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Cuz1 said:

SCHB, who was your cousin if you don’t mind me asking mate

Craig Fleming he played for Oldham and Norwich (captain) he mentioned he’d been called some choice things over the years, but he did play at RB (if my old memory serves me right) and had a bit of a run in with Julian Dicks down the chicken run side, I can’t repeat how he felt at the time but it certainly had an effect on him during that game

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

OutcastLondoner said:

Hamstew said:

Cuz1 said:

SCHB, who was your cousin if you don’t mind me asking mate

I reckon Ronaldo

I have it on good authority that it was the great Nigel Quashie.

;biggrin

Fortunately not!

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Let me be clear I’m not saying that the Boleyn was always intimidating but it was at certain times and for plenty of the last 25-30 years

At the same time I’m not saying that the LS can’t be intimidating it’s already shown in a few games that the noise levels are insane when it’s rocking, i really hope it’s more intimidating than the Boleyn over the years to come and hopefully we build many memories of it, of course it’s going to take time nearly all these moves do

;ok

Cuz1

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Cuz1 said:

SCHB, who was your cousin if you don’t mind me asking mate

Craig Fleming he played for Oldham and Norwich (captain) he mentioned he’d been called some choice things over the years, but he did play at RB (if my old memory serves me right) and had a bit of a run in with Julian Dicks down the chicken run side, I can’t repeat how he felt at the time but it certainly had an effect on him during that game

Read up about him sir Alex said really good man marker job on giggs when he played for Oldham not a bad endorsement from a top boss

OutcastLondoner

Moojor said:

Sorry to say this but, IMO, the ground is never the intimidating part, you play a game behind closed doors at any football ground and you aren't going to be intimidated in any way shape or form, regardless of where the ground is.

Well, the way the ground's set up could make it more conducive to a good atmosphere than another when there are people in it. Of course it needs people in it but its structure can also impact how those people are involved in the atmosphere.

MrsGrey said:

Sometimes visiting players were intimidated.

Sometimes they were not.

It was always the same ground. So if it was something intrinsic to the ground, it would always have had the same effect. Which obviously it didn't, so it wasn't.

Or it could have had the same effect of amplifying the different moods of the audience. When they were fired up, intimidating the opposition, when they were nervous, weighing on our own players.

With the numbers inside the LS it's obviously able to generate noise but I personally feel it's more like a general din, while the Boleyn created was more like a wall of noise.

ianbishoplegend

Was Craig Fleming referring to pre or post north bank upton Park?

ASLEFshrugged

The Trevor Brooking and the Bobby Moore were still quite close to the pitch but after the new West Stand opened in 2001 the Chicken Run was a long way from the pitch. To me the atmos changed after that.

There's no such thing as common sense, if there was we wouldn't disagree on anything

SuzanneClaret

ianbishoplegend said:

I never really loved the stadium after the North bank went. Had a couple of season tickets in the Bobby Moore lower, some great evenings, but many tragic silent games lacking in anything. I think not putting all the Bobby Moore stand holders in the same part of the new ground was a mistake. The owners are football fans, but from up high, they miss judged that one big time. Some safe standing and a few tweaks and it will be a good ground.

The new BML is a different size and shape to the one in Upton Park. We were all offered a like for like transfer but some of us chose to move to a different stand.

grey_til_I_dye

Well, if you can't get a good looking stadium for near enough £1billion, it would be a poor state of affairs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5139907/Bill-new-Tottenham-stadium-soars-1bn.html

Vorselaarhammer

Not to worry, I expect Levy will sell it to Real Madrid in a few years for 5 Billion....