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Even if it came in on budget, you'd still want something half decent for 3/4 of a billion...
We’re going to have to make some changes to ours hopefully making it a better experience
Good news today, Brady has responded with a 5000 word letter to the RWHFAG and his some short term and long term changes to be made to the badge, stadium, heritage etc and has offered to meet them again on Wednesday.
That’s progress I’d say
I wouldn't like to think that a group of fans who shout loudest get to override what was a democratic decision already made.
People might get ideas ;wink
If eligible people didn't take the opportunity to vote, that's their choice.
But it's not acceptable to just ignore all those who cared enough to vote on the grounds that 'it wasn't representative' imo.
Even if you think the results of that poll should be set aside (for whatever reason), are you actually saying that if the club propose a new design, there shouldn't be a new poll? And that any new 'approval process' should be limited to the folks in the RWHFAG? The views of fans not in that group should be ignored, no, not ignored - never even solicited?
Won't that make any new choice even less 'democratic' than the current one based on an (in your opinion) unrepresentative consultation?
(Note: I'm not saying they can't bring forward a new design because lots of people voted for the old one.)
The club can’t be held responsible for the lack of response, I do think many WHU fans are kicking themselves that they didn’t make as much noise at the appropriate time
It’s good that the club are looking at it though, I can’t believe that RWHFAG would think this fell solely on them to decide what the new badge looks like if it does change again. From reading many comments on the subject it appears to me the badge design itself isn’t the major issue, it’s the word “London”
;ok
At Oldham, the SAF comment came out around the time when he marked Mark Hughes out of the game for almost 120 minutes before losing him for a split second and he equalized in the FA cup semi final, then got trounced 4-1 in the replay
He had a groin and MUFC were reported to be interested, his injury put paid to that and they signed David May instead.
I am however a big fan of the group in creating a voice for supporters who feel they have been sold something as one thing and ended up with another, and I hope they are able to retain and grow support and provide that voice for years to come. I view it in a way similar to union representation in that the fans need a voice as a football fan is so much more than a customer who can take their custom elsewhere and if feeling treated badly need meaningful representation.
I would like to see meaningful supporter representation at boardroom level, someone to hold to account and if necessary ask for protest action. Without these aims being specifically asked for, as far as I know, this is happening as this group are holding to account a lot of stuff on which the move was sold to us on and the club appear to be in the first stages now of taking them seriously, something which just like a union wouldn't happen if the union had 100 members in a 5000 employee factory. There are some issues around the group not least this divisive term 'real' west ham fans, but I have confidence these things will get ironed out and hopefully a large inclusive group can be got behind by anyone who wishes, and a voice will indeed be permanently established.
This group has only come about since November and as far as I know the people responsible are not professionals in this field and so have done a pretty fantastic job of achieving what they have so far, to have expected not one foot wrong, a couple in hindsight mistakes to have not been made would be pretty unreasonable. I feel sure that when union representation began there would have been some who just cast those attempting to establish it as troublemakers etc, but once established all were benefitting.
Establish power and influence through numbers and then wield that power and influence with professionalism and respect without ever allowing the power to be abused.
But the RWH... group is exclusive, and selective, so they can not legitimately be said to represent West Ham fans in general.
I would hope that any kind of substantive proposals the group made would be put to the wider fan base if the board are going to consider them.
i don't get this "sold to us" idea either as who bought into anything. The club decided they were moving and fans had a choice to go or not to go
Maybe someone can clearly explain to me what these so called real fans are doing in my behalf and what they expect to achieve.
Fair enough, although the impetus appeared to come from RWH.
I feel my point still stands, however.
This isn't the first time you have (wilfully?) mis-stated my viewpoints/positions.
I'm not going to bother to respond to your post, since it has nothing to do with what I said or suggested.
If you can be bothered to actually read what I post, and respond to that, fair enough, otherwise it's just a waste of keystrokes.
And are happy to ignore the views of those who don't, or the views of those who haven't joined the group.?
That's fair enough ... but then they can't claim to be representative of the wider fan base.
Maybe that's how they come up with their definiton of a 'real fan'. A real fan agrees with them ;ok
I can’t believe that there is a large group of fans that think everything at the club is just fine?? I’d be staggered.
This is 70 different groups and forums all coming together behind the RWHFAG banner. I don’t necessarily agree with the “real” part of the name, it was always going cause a bit of a divide, however I think it was designed to separate themselves from the owners who claim to be fans and possibly the number of day trippers/tourists and other clubs fans that attend the LS. (I could easily be wrong on this).
I think this group feel that the SAB got nowhere, not all their fault, as they were “forced” to sign NDA’s, now they have the numbers they have some traction, I really can’t see how this group hurts the wider WHU fan base, surely some of the changes will be for the better of all?
Any club with clear fan involvement and discussion has to be a good thing no?
Really happy with everything, or a member of the 'real fans' group.
Thanks for simplifying it.
Simple solutions for simple minds ;ok
If they're not happy stop going to games if in fact they do all go to games. Individually I would suspect that a large number of these people have little or no idea what it is exactly that they want or expect to get but think it would be fun to stick on one the owners they font like.
I think it's sad that they are protesting and marching on the day that the club are commemorating Bobby Moore.
Oh, that's right, no one.
I’m honestly curious.
I would say that if you have around 15,000 people all signing up to an action group then that is a pretty signficant number of disgruntled fans, surely no club wants that, therefore the talking has to start on both sides.
The owners have done some decent things over the years but they’ve also had some mad mad moments and what with the move, the +2 etc the they’ve brought some of this upon themselves