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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5139907/Bill-new-Tottenham-stadium-soars-1bn.html
Even if it came in on budget, you'd still want something half decent for 3/4 of a billion...
We’re going to have to make some changes to ours hopefully making it a better experience
Good news today, Brady has responded with a 5000 word letter to the RWHFAG and his some short term and long term changes to be made to the badge, stadium, heritage etc and has offered to meet them again on Wednesday.
That’s progress I’d say
I wouldn't like to think that a group of fans who shout loudest get to override what was a democratic decision already made.
People might get ideas ;wink
It was an online vote conducted over 48 hours by youGov.56% voted in favour.
Hardly representative. Did anybody on here vote ?
If eligible people didn't take the opportunity to vote, that's their choice.
But it's not acceptable to just ignore all those who cared enough to vote on the grounds that 'it wasn't representative' imo.
Even if you think the results of that poll should be set aside (for whatever reason), are you actually saying that if the club propose a new design, there shouldn't be a new poll? And that any new 'approval process' should be limited to the folks in the RWHFAG? The views of fans not in that group should be ignored, no, not ignored - never even solicited?
Won't that make any new choice even less 'democratic' than the current one based on an (in your opinion) unrepresentative consultation?
(Note: I'm not saying they can't bring forward a new design because lots of people voted for the old one.)
The club can’t be held responsible for the lack of response, I do think many WHU fans are kicking themselves that they didn’t make as much noise at the appropriate time
It’s good that the club are looking at it though, I can’t believe that RWHFAG would think this fell solely on them to decide what the new badge looks like if it does change again. From reading many comments on the subject it appears to me the badge design itself isn’t the major issue, it’s the word “London”
;ok
At Oldham, the SAF comment came out around the time when he marked Mark Hughes out of the game for almost 120 minutes before losing him for a split second and he equalized in the FA cup semi final, then got trounced 4-1 in the replay
He had a groin and MUFC were reported to be interested, his injury put paid to that and they signed David May instead.
I am however a big fan of the group in creating a voice for supporters who feel they have been sold something as one thing and ended up with another, and I hope they are able to retain and grow support and provide that voice for years to come. I view it in a way similar to union representation in that the fans need a voice as a football fan is so much more than a customer who can take their custom elsewhere and if feeling treated badly need meaningful representation.
I would like to see meaningful supporter representation at boardroom level, someone to hold to account and if necessary ask for protest action. Without these aims being specifically asked for, as far as I know, this is happening as this group are holding to account a lot of stuff on which the move was sold to us on and the club appear to be in the first stages now of taking them seriously, something which just like a union wouldn't happen if the union had 100 members in a 5000 employee factory. There are some issues around the group not least this divisive term 'real' west ham fans, but I have confidence these things will get ironed out and hopefully a large inclusive group can be got behind by anyone who wishes, and a voice will indeed be permanently established.
This group has only come about since November and as far as I know the people responsible are not professionals in this field and so have done a pretty fantastic job of achieving what they have so far, to have expected not one foot wrong, a couple in hindsight mistakes to have not been made would be pretty unreasonable. I feel sure that when union representation began there would have been some who just cast those attempting to establish it as troublemakers etc, but once established all were benefitting.
Establish power and influence through numbers and then wield that power and influence with professionalism and respect without ever allowing the power to be abused.
But the RWH... group is exclusive, and selective, so they can not legitimately be said to represent West Ham fans in general.
I would hope that any kind of substantive proposals the group made would be put to the wider fan base if the board are going to consider them.
i don't get this "sold to us" idea either as who bought into anything. The club decided they were moving and fans had a choice to go or not to go
Maybe someone can clearly explain to me what these so called real fans are doing in my behalf and what they expect to achieve.
Fair enough, although the impetus appeared to come from RWH.
I feel my point still stands, however.
How can anybody be said to represent the wider fan base if the wider fan base are not organised in any way. What is the mechanism to put proposals to the 'wider fan base'.
Your argument is an argument to do nothing. It may well be that you hold that exact point of view. Thats fine as it stands
However, you shouldn't sit in judgement of a large group of people who are not happy with the status quo, who have a list of primary objectives, and who are conducting themselves in such a way, that they have the attention of the very group with which they have a complaint. One meeting already held, and another potentially on the agenda. They are not claiming to represent West Ham Fans in General - because that is not possible. They dont want people who join who do not share their core views, and they are wary of club 'plants'.
If the RWH group were a union, I'd be happy to join it. Anybody who does not like their approach is perfectly at liberty to form a "RealHappywitheverythingat WestHamFangroup" get yourself a facebook page and crack on, to vote for no change to the club's current policies.
This isn't the first time you have (wilfully?) mis-stated my viewpoints/positions.
I'm not going to bother to respond to your post, since it has nothing to do with what I said or suggested.
If you can be bothered to actually read what I post, and respond to that, fair enough, otherwise it's just a waste of keystrokes.
And are happy to ignore the views of those who don't, or the views of those who haven't joined the group.?
That's fair enough ... but then they can't claim to be representative of the wider fan base.
Maybe that's how they come up with their definiton of a 'real fan'. A real fan agrees with them ;ok