Board/Fan Relationship

MrsGrey

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

The RWHFAG appears to accept anyone who request to join on FB,

Well, I clicked the 'join group' button in early December.

Still waiting to be allowed in.

thornburyiron

When 50% or whatever of the fans walked out of the stadium during games when we were playing atrociously and died on our feet 70 minutes into the games, the owners sat up and took notice and replaced Bilic.

OutcastLondoner

Fans are stakeholders in the club and they have every right to voice their disapproval. The club can go ahead on things without them but a football club is not just it’s staff, stadium and owners. We can call them businesses but they’re not conventional ones - they can’t easily find new ‘customers’.

Even if I dislike elements of this group, I think it’s healthy to have this process. The club needs to work out how to handle it, not thinking those who shout are the only ones who want to talk but equally they shouldn’t have to shut up because what concerns them doesn’t concern others. The club has to bridge that but if it does, with some kind of proper, representative mechanism for listening to various groups, then I think we come out in a healthier position than we started in.

MrsGrey

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

I would say that if you have around 15,000 people all signing up to an action group then that is a pretty signficant number of disgruntled fans,

Well it sounds like a lot.

But as you yourself pointed out in the context of the vote on the badge change, if you turn it into a % it isn't really a huge %.

grey_til_I_dye

Slizzy

They haven't accepted everyone. How many they haven't accepted, I couldn't say.

Again, I haven't suggested that RWH... hurt the wider fan base, and I can't think of anyone who has?

I can't think that anyone has suggested that everything is fine.

I can't think of anyone who has suggested that things couldn't be better.

My point was simply that, since they have chosen to be exclusive, if the club are going to consider significant proposals they put forward, then that should involve consultation with the wider fan base. Even if the proposal was a joint one, with KUMB and any other WHU alphabet soup out there, I'd still feel the same way.

Personally, I'd say even if they only asked current ST holders, that would give a reasonable cross-section.

MrsGrey

grey_til_I_dye said:

My point was simply that, since they have chosen to be exclusive, if the club are going to consider significant proposals they put forward, then that should involve consultation with the wider fan base. Even if the proposal was a joint one, with KUMB and any other WHU alphabet soup out there, I'd still feel the same way.

Personally, I'd say even if they only asked current ST holders, that would give a reasonable cross-section.

I said as much earlier. ;ok

When they invited views on the last badge change, they gave all people with a purchase history a vote.

Any new proposals that lend themselves to a similar 'poll' type consultation should, imo, go through the same process.

The Real West Ham Fans can surely have no objection to that, if they genuinely are aiming to make things better for the fans (even the unreal ones)?

MrsGrey

OutcastLondoner said:

Even if I dislike elements of this group, I think it’s healthy to have this process. The club needs to work out how to handle it, not thinking those who shout are the only ones who want to talk

Yes ;ok and not thinking that they are the ones with the 'right' ideas.

Yeoldhammer

Well if the badge gets voted on again hopefully we don't get shoehorned with 4 poor designs

grey_til_I_dye

grubby working class oiks

Really? That's the best you can do?

If you want to play 'working class trumps', I'm pretty sure my hand beats yours.

MrsGrey

billybondsbeard said:

Who exactly are you referring to with your 'Simple Minds' Jibe Mrs Grey ?
The RWH protesters , Me, anybody not as clued up as you are, grubby working class oiks who dont share your views ?

Now I'm curious

;hmm

Me.

Poshhammer

What is so wrong with a fan saying that they don't agree with the way the club is being run.
West Ham United is so much more than Gold, Sullivan and Brady and for the life of me I simply don't understand why people don't get that!

grey_til_I_dye

What is so wrong with reading what people actually post, rather than coming on with pre-conceived ideas, or building straw men?

I can't think of a single post that has suggested that fans can't say pretty much whatever they want to.

MrsGrey

Poshhammer said:

What is so wrong with a fan saying that they don't agree with the way the club is being run.

Nothing. Which is probably why nobody has said anything is wrong with it ;hmm

Poshhammer said:

West Ham United is so much more than Gold, Sullivan and Brady and for the life of me I simply don't understand why people don't get that!

Who has said West Ham isn't more than Gold, Sullivan and Brady?

Anyone?

Maybe that's why you don't understand. ;hmm

MrsGrey

billybondsbeard said:

grubby working class oiks who dont share your views ?

Oh, and how dare you imply that I hold those views when I have never said anything of the kind?

I find that insulting.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

MrsGrey said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

The RWHFAG appears to accept anyone who request to join on FB,

Well, I clicked the 'join group' button in early December.

Still waiting to be allowed in.

Really? Wow honestly I’m surprised at that, wonder if it’s just an Admin oversight?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

thornburyiron said:

How ridiculous to think that the club will send in 'undercover agents' to infiltrate a group of fans who believe they have the right to dictate how the club is run.
If they're not happy stop going to games if in fact they do all go to games. Individually I would suspect that a large number of these people have little or no idea what it is exactly that they want or expect to get but think it would be fun to stick on one the owners they font like.
I think it's sad that they are protesting and marching on the day that the club are commemorating Bobby Moore.

So that would be your answer then Thorn, just stop going, there’s your protest. I don’t believe they think they have a right to dictate how the club is run,they mainly want to stop the nonsense that board engage in, I would also say that plenty within the group that know exactly why they’re protesting, yes it is sad, it’s sad that it’s come to this, perhaps if the board/club didn’t make as many mess up’s it wouldn’t of led to this

SuzanneClaret

I like the current crest.

I can’t see what’s wrong with it.

Hamstew

I don't mind it either. Could do with a bit of tweaking but it's ok.

Hamstew

It also got voted best prem badge it my boys motd magazine ;biggrin

SuzanneClaret

The club is in London.

MrsGrey

billybondsbeard said:

Thorn
The date of the RWH group march was announced first for the Burnley game. The club then announced the same date for the Bobby event.
Probably just a coincidence.

I doubt it's coincidence. It's the 1st home game after the anniversary.

Hamstew

I think it's the gold hammers I'm not crazy about. Seems better when they are blue or white

SuzanneClaret

But we’ve always had crossed hammers.

Hamstew

I think he's saying he wants crossed hammers? ;hmm

MrsGrey

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Really? Wow honestly I’m surprised at that, wonder if it’s just an Admin oversight?

Dunno. I don't think so because I know one other person from here who applied on the same day and was allowed in.

Also, as an admin you have to either click accept or decline, you can't just dismiss it with no action. So one or the other decision was made, otherwise the request would still be visible to them.

Maybe it was something on my FB profile that didn't meet their (secret) criteria.

SuzanneClaret

;ok BBB

Moojor

MrsGrey said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

Really? Wow honestly I’m surprised at that, wonder if it’s just an Admin oversight?

Dunno. I don't think so because I know one other person from here who applied on the same day and was allowed in.

Also, as an admin you have to either click accept or decline, you can't just dismiss it with no action. So one or the other decision was made, otherwise the request would still be visible to them.

Maybe it was something on my FB profile that didn't meet their (secret) criteria.

ASLEFshrugged

billybondsbeard said:

So are a few others. If it said East London it would probably feel more tribal in some people's eyes.

Surely it should be "East, East, East London"?

According to the blurb putting London on the badge would "establish the club firmly on the international stage and reinforce our European ambitions". Maybe the board felt that despite our history not enough people outside the UK knew who West Ham were or where West Ham was

TheMadcapLaughs

http://kumb.com/docs/kb_open_letter_to_whgu.pdf

A response from The Board.

Yeoldhammer

pressure and action good good