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  • PoshhammerPoshhammer
    edited February 2018

    Absolutely brilliant. And it's all true ;cool
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    MunichHammer said:


    I think we are getting there. Upton Park was usually no real benefit to us as far as I can remember.

    I have to ask, how many times did you go to UP? Perhaps you only saw drab affairs, poor results or lack of atmosphere?

    over 30 years I’m eternally grateful to of spent many many happy times in that stadium, our home and on plenty of occassion it was a 12th man, especially on some of those famous night games.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    I think the point Munich is making is that our home form this year is probably pretty close to how it was for almost every PL season we had at Upton Park.

    In my lifetime it has never, even been a fortress. Yes, it would come alive in big games, especially at night, and it would be a special place to be.

    But I went to over 150 games at Upton Park myself, and for every tremendous performance there were two average and one terrible. I’ve seen sour atmospheres and sat in silent crowds and watched us be humiliated at home by Wolves or Bolton or thrashed by big teams.

    The bigger issue is one of sentiment rather than form now, IMO, as at the LS I think we are muddling along like we were in any other PL season at UP. We’ve had some big performances and big atmospheres in the new stadium already.

    IMO it will take 10 years before it feels like home, for a lot of the kinks to be worked out and memories built. I’ve just accepted that. I don’t think it’s the end of the world, really.
  • HamstewHamstew
    edited February 2018
    The Boleyn was so much more than the results, league position and quality of our football team. And it was ours.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Which is why I said the bigger issue is about sentiment rather than about form ;ok
  • HamstewHamstew
    Yes I know. Was more of a general comment regarding Munich's post
  • MunichHammerMunichHammer
    Cherrs Jorderz, that was pretty much what I meant. I have only been to UP a few times due to my not living in the UK and I rely a lot on commentary. From what I heard the crowd was able to get behind the team and play the 12th man but more often than not over the past 25-30 years it didn't. Anything before that I could't say.

    It's a mixture of things, all of which would probably be accepted by itself but a new stadium takes time to feel like home. Only once have I seen a new stadium be accepted right away and becoming a place where results come even in the first season. But that was an ice hockey stadium that fits 2500 or so, so not comparable.

    If the results were there, I doubt people would give the stadium such grief. True, opposition fans seem to mention it kn every opposition view on kumb but then again they often are on the losing side and will use any stick to belittle us.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    edited February 2018
    Okay Munich thanks for the reply, for your information the crowd did play a part in the last 25-30 years and on occassion the atmosphere was fantastic, but again as someone who went to a few of those that is still just my opinion.

    And yes in my life time it has been a fortress on occassion.

    I accept the LS was never going to do it overnight but whatever happens, I will never forget or dismiss the times had in the Boleyn a truly iconic English football ground

    ;ok
  • MunichHammerMunichHammer
    Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:


    but whatever happens, I will never forget or dismiss the times had in the Boleyn a truly iconic English football ground

    ;ok

    That was never my intention. It just seems to me that comparisons of the two stadia are often like comparing heaven to hell.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    You just need to listen to the visiting players who have played there to know how important Upton Park was to us due to the atmosphere generated.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    I can think of many visiting players who have gleefully noted how easy it was to get the home crowd on the players' backs.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited February 2018
    Seems to me that, a bit like our reputation for producing home-grown players, the 'fortress Upton Park' became more myth than fact over the last decade or more.

    Like any ground, when the home fans were rocking, the opposition would have found it a bit harder, but equally, they knew that getting an early goal could turn the crowd in a heartbeat.

    I'd say it is up to the fans who go to the LS to decide how much atmosphere they are interested in creating.

    Clearly, there have already been some games there which have seen the place rocking, so it's not like there is something inherent in the stadium that prevents an atmosphere from being generated.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    The thing is, atmosphere is created by the fans.

    The LS can and has ‘rocked’ when the fans have wanted. You can’t blame the ground for a poor atmosphere, that’s on us.
  • HamstewHamstew
    edited February 2018
    That is correct but there are a lot of tourists and vocal fans scattered around. If you know what I mean. That will improve over time hopefully
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    MrsGrey said:

    I can think of many visiting players who have gleefully noted how easy it was to get the home crowd on the players' backs.

    That's a comment you could make about most if not all home fans IMHO!

  • imagelostimagelost
    Am pretty sure to get own fans to cheer is to give them s omething to cheer about



    It only takes one bonds tackle
    Brooking pass
    Devonshire’s run
    Pop pops one in
  • imagelostimagelost
    imagelost said:

    Am pretty sure to get own fans to cheer is to give them s omething to cheer about



    It only takes one bonds tackle
    Brooking pass
    Devonshire’s run
    Pop pops one in

    It did not always happen,or we would won the league,,, but you know what i mean
  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    It was a bit Tasty when Dimi was knocking a few in. Now we have Arnie, Pea, and lanzini. I think that could get the crowd going once we are settled and strong.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited February 2018
    fortune, pretty much ;ok

    I was suggesting that your comment that the fans made it difficult for visitors at Upton Park was only half the story. Sometimes they made it difficult for our own players.

    So, the 'tough atmosphere' for visiting players is a feature of the crowd, and not a feature of the ground itself, imo.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

    the Boleyn a truly iconic English football ground

    I probably agree with you but you used the "I" word so I can't, on principal
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend
    I never really loved the stadium after the North bank went. Had a couple of season tickets in the Bobby Moore lower, some great evenings, but many tragic silent games lacking in anything. I think not putting all the Bobby Moore stand holders in the same part of the new ground was a mistake. The owners are football fans, but from up high, they miss judged that one big time. Some safe standing and a few tweaks and it will be a good ground.
  • ianbishoplegendianbishoplegend


    Why should they - they are playing away. There is much more bound up in playing well at home.

    I think a lack of investment in strong and pacey players cost us dear changing stadium, and this season. I hope Moyes addresses this in the summer.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited February 2018
    I was bored

    Our record in the top flight at the Boleyn

    58/59 W15 D3 L3 6th, lost to Birmingham (9th), Leicester (19th) and Leeds (15th)
    59/60 W12 D3 L6
    60/61 W12 D4 L5
    61/62 W11 D6 L4
    62/63 W8 D6 L7
    63/64 W8 D7 L6
    64/65 W14 D2 L5
    65/66 W12 D5 L4
    66/67 W8 D6 L7
    67/68 W8 D5 L8
    68/69 W10 D8 L3 8th, lost to Everton (3rd), Ipswich (12th) and Arsenal (4th)
    69/70 W8 D8 L5
    70/71 W6 D8 L7
    71/72 W10 D6 L5
    72/73 W12 D5 L4
    73/74 W7 D7 L7
    74/75 W10 D6 L5
    75/76 W10 D5 L6
    76/77 W9 D6 L6
    77/78 W8 D6 L7

    81/82 W9 D10 L2 9th, lost to Arsenal (5th), Forest (12th)
    82/83 W13 D3 L5
    83/84 W10 D4 L7
    84/85 W7 D8 L6
    85/86 W17 D2 L2 3rd, lost to Luton (9th) and Chelsea (6th)
    86/87 W10 D4 L7

    Average W10.2 D5.5 L5.3

    87/88 W6 D9 L5 Div 1 reduced to 21 teams
    88/89 W3 D6 L10 reduced to 20

    91/92 W6 D6 L9 back up to 22 teams

    93/94 W6 D7 L8
    94/95 W9 D6 L6
    95/96 W9 D5 L5 back down to 20 teams again
    96/97 W7 D6 L6
    97/98 W13 D4 L2 8th, lost to Newcastle (15th) and Southampton (12th)
    98/99 W11 D3 L5
    99/00 W11 D5 L3 9th, Man U (1st), Everton (13th) and Boro (12th)
    00/01 W6 D6 L7
    01/02 W12 D4 L3 7th under Roeder!!!! Fulham (13th), Spurs (9th) and Man U (3rd)
    02/03 W5 D7 L7

    05/06 W9 D3 L7
    06/07 W8 D2 L9
    07/08 W7 D7 L5
    08/09 W9 D2 L8
    09/10 W7 D5 L7
    10/11 W5 D5 L9

    12/13 W9 D6 L4
    13/14 W7 D3 L9
    14/15 W9 D4 L6
    15/16 W9 D7 L3

    A bit of a mixture........
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    ;nonono ;clap ;bowdown
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    85/86 ;bowdown
  • MunichHammerMunichHammer
    edited February 2018
    Cheers Aslef - this season so far it has been w5 d5 l4 (Spurs and Liverpool)

    Last season it was w7 d4 l8

    Look about average to me. A lot of this is not facts but emotions. And once people get emotional then common sense stops working.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited February 2018
    There have been repeated requests by mods not to post ‘personal’ comments aimed at other users.

    Yet theses posts continued so we’ve edited them and pm’d the poster’s. Repeatedly.

    The message is still not getting through.

    So.

    Posts containing personal comments will just get deleted and I won’t be informing anyone by pm.


  • horshamhammerhorshamhammer
    The point being is that having seats so far from the pitch is not conducive to a good atmosphere. The Boleyn was great because it was intimidating to the opposition and the fans were so close to the pitch that the noise was contained better. Not the case at the OS.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Personally, I'd change that to

    The Boleyn was great because when it was intimidating to the opposition

    Looking at the stats ASLEF posted, it is clear that there were a lot of games in any given season where the opposition managed to come away with the points, so it is unreasonable, imo, to suggest that the Boleyn was a permanent fortress that teams hated to play at.

    When the LS has been rocking, I haven't seen any issue with noise containment.

    It might even be that the acoustics are better, but unless the fans turning up make the effort, it won't matter if they are as good as the Albert Hall.

  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    Nobody said it was a permanent fortress but it did have seasons where we were difficult to beat.

    The number of former players that didn’t like playing there is also testament to that, my cousin being one of them and he played at many PL grounds.

    The chicken run was intimidating to suggest that the ground didn’t do that much over the last 25-30+ years is nonsense imo

    Perhaps it’s just me, I was fortunate to do the most home games in a season in 85-86, pure luck that was and our best season In terms of losses and a bit of a fortress, many a night we got home with an inferior team on paper against the bigger boys

    That’s not emotional, that’s just a fact and not one I’d dismiss as easily either.
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