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"The manager has the final say on player recruitment. dg"
For me, this is another example of why he should keep away from Twitter. Firstly, because it's a direct response to a criticism levelled at the board, it feels a bit like putting all of the blame on poor signings on the manager. I think that there should be an element of collective responsibility between the manager and board, but this, and some of Sully's statements in the past, have a sense of 'not us, guv' about them.
Secondly, I don't think it's entirely true. I mean, ultimately the recruitment of a player is at the discretion of the board, i.e. are they prepared to buy the player. As an example, I don't think it's fair to say Bilic had the final say on the Carvalho deal. If he had, we'd have signed him. The final say, IMO at least, is that of the chairman and whether he's prepared to meet the player's asking price.
I understand that DG has every right to use Twitter and defend his position, I'm just not convinced it's the best thing for him (he does get a lot of dogs abuse) or for the relationship between the board and the fans.
I don't think DG is trying to apportion blame. I think he is simply stating the facts: the board give the manager the final say so when it comes to signings.
So, if the manager says no, a players doesn't come.
It's not the same as saying he gets everyone he wants, just that he never gets a player landed on him.
But that's kind of my point. I understand why some of his responses are emotive; mine probably would be if I was faced with almost constant grief from disaffected fans, but then I would remove myself from that situation and deactivate my account.
Also, I don't actually believe the manager has the final say so. Pretty sure Sully is on record as saying that before they sign a player, he, the manager and Tony Henry (as was) have to all agree. This may change under Sully's newly delegated transfer policy, so I guess we'll find out in the summer.
But if the choice the manager is given is " we know you need 3 players, but you can only have Carlos Kickaball from Peru, because thats all we can afford this window, yes or no ?"
Thats a different scenario IMO.
Thats like saying that there were never Sully signings in the past.
Also, I'm (fairly) sure that they have acknowledged in the past that some of the signings haven't worked out? So DGs tweet isn't the only and the final word on the subject.
But I do agree that either he should close down his tweeter account or get the PR dept to come up with some standard (diplomatic? anodyne?) responses and just trot those out in the same way that politicians do, without actually answering the question or addressing the issue that has been raised. (Actually, I don't think he should do that. I think he should step away from social media. I don't know why he puts himself through it, tbh.)
We have owners who made their own fortune. Afaik they didn't inherit it or win it, the made it themselves. To me that comes across as extremely arrogant. Do what we like or else we will throw our toys out of the pram and shout insults at you.
bfs had a word for that. Deluded, I think it was.
;wahoo
coyi ;barrera ;goal
Did we win ;biggrin
hh - no hatred whatsoever. But a group calling themselves "real hammers" implies that anyone who is not in their group is ipso facto no "real hammer".
That kind of approach is certainly one I don't want to be associated with.
Then, if I want to stage some protest I need to finance it from within the group and not by asking others to pay for it.
And a lot of the stuff aimed at them is just pure vitriol. It is easy to manage from your couch and it seems it is even easier to spend other peoples' money. But god beware they might be asked to pull their finger out and make their own fortube
This group isn’t about results it’s also not about any kind of personal success, it’s about long term WHU fans who’ve invested a lot of time and money following the club over many many years, not like you and me (in the main last 15 years for me) from our armchair, it’s about a group of people who believe they’ve been sold more than one lie by the owners, they’re also probably kicking themselves if the truth be known that they allowed themselves to be led away from UP far too easily and were sold a dream
So, they setup funding, nobody is forced to contribute but my guess is that the majority of donations where from people part of the 14k on Facebook, anything Left over from funds required for posters, flyers etc will be going to the Isla fund for that poor little girl.
It has been funded from within the group.
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I don't really know why, since the site rules/ethos are long established, and there's an announcement on the front page.
Don't make personal comments towards other users.
If you can't disagree with someone without having a dig, don't post.
True, I don't get to London often enogh, never mind watching any games (certainly not since Sky Germany lost the rights) but I object to some of the stuff the owners are being subjected to and I object to one group claiming anyone not in their group is not a real fan.
I might not agree with everything that the owners do but in my opinion the only way forward is true dialogue. Not the kind of "if they tell us anything we don't like ..." kind of stuff. That is nothing less than blackmail.
I once had a t-shirt
The chicken run
West Ham
Last stand
Big deal deal ;sbrew ;clap
Just coz one group of fans wish demonstrated, doesn’t mean the rest are less of fans or supporters “in my humble opinion “
coyi
I can understand you disagreeing with the reasons they wish to protest as we all have differing opinions, but it's hard to criticise them funding their activity through their group membership as otherwise the Labour party and all political parties are in big trouble if there is something fundamentally wrong in fund raising through membership.
But regardless of that, I think there needs to be more respect. If I were one of the Daves, would I want to meet up with people who abuse me about what I do to my plaything? I am not entirely sure. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors at the club. We simply assume. And yet anybody and his dog could do a better job at it.