Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation (continued)

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  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Don't really like the idea of selling Fletcher although for a decent profit

    Wouldn't mind if we have a buy back clause involved (let's say £10mil)

    If all the big teams can do it why shouldn't we
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    Not sure I agree with Fletcher being sold, Wasnt he rated better than Rashford at Utd? Whether thats true or not it implies there's plenty of talent and potential there. He's looked confident on the ball and taking people on with the small amount of minutes hes been given.

    Yes to a loan so he can progress (and if we sold him we'd get appreciably more if he was doing it on loan). He doesnt seem to have been much of a chance. Not sure if its a case of being assessed in training negatively?

    7M is chicken feed in todays market for a man who plenty was expected from ;hmm
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

    Ex says we could still sign one of Perez, Iheanacho or Bats on loan.

    ;hmm You know you're just setting me up for another ;weep session when Bats doesnt come, right?
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    edited July 2017
    ;weep

    (just practicing)
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    getting rid of Fletcher when we already need to sign another striker ;lol
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Fletcher is one for the near future, IF this happens it just adds insult to injury in that we didn't get Braithwaite either.
  • tomkinsworldclasstomkinsworldclass
    I'd be disappointing if Fletcher was sold, I think he has ability and good attributes but simply needs to play more and to learn his craft (just like the vast majority of ypung players), so I'd prefer a loan move. It amazes me how quickly some fans write off a player (not on here but elsewhere). I like Lucas Perez and believe he would be a good fit for us although there may be competition from Spain. He has genuine pace, good finisher, left footed, carries the ball well and contributes to goals as well. very tidy player and very surprising why he hasn't played more for arsenal.
  • alderzalderz
    edited July 2017
    Whilst I would be disappointed if Fletcher was sold, let's be realistic.

    Last season Ayew and Antonio were preferred to him as a striker. We now have Chicarito who will start most games, and Carroll / Sakho when fit. We also have Martinez who plenty of people have been saying should have been given a chance last year. We almost never play with two strikers, and Fletcher can't play other positions.

    He's never going to get games here.
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    Papers mentioning Adrian off for 3.5M!!

    In a current grossly inflated TF market, 3.5M might as well be a free transfer for a first choice Prem keeper

    I realize its paper talk at the moment but if it turns out to be accurate I'd like to ask why the fee isn't 10M+

    Short rant over ;angry
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Sorry! What? We get 1 'keeper on a season long loan and then sell both Randolph and Adrian. Who plays against City for starters because Hart can't? Then what happens at the end of the season when Hart goes back to City? It's all a bit dam stupid imho.
  • HammerexHammerex
    Totally agree with you Suz, I was happy enough with Adrian being our No1
    keeper, and concentrating on getting decent strikers.
    Seems we are putting the cart before the horse.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Ex suggested last night that the club are looking for out-of-contract 'keepers in case Adrian does go. He mentioned Valdes, but also said we're looking at Bentley (Brentford) and Darlow (Newcastle).

    I think they must be confident of getting Hart on a permanent deal next summer. Now we have Hernandez, I wonder if next season’s money may be provisionally committed to buying Hart ;hmm
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited July 2017
    This was predictable, Sullivan saying publically that Hart is the best keeper he's ever worked with then both Randolph and Adrian looking for a way out in order to find first team football.

    What happens next is equally predictable, Hart stays until the end of the season, either we can't agree a transfer fee with City or we can't meet Hart's wage demands and we find ourselves desperately scrabbling around to get a decent keeper before the start of the 18/19 season.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    ASLEF

    I don't for a second blame Diddy Dee for this (assuming it is true...); it was always a risk when we got Hart, who is a nailed on No 1.

    I was worried about the Hart not staying thing, but on reflection, I really don't think it would be hard to find keepers better than either Adrian or Randy (much as I liked them both.)
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Next year I think Hart has 1 year left on his contract so fee won't be great, and I don't believe City want to stand in his way, so it'll be down to ambition and wages. Show him our ambition and pay him the wages. Only way if we are to take this 'magical' next step.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    I'm not even sure it will come down to ambition for Hart. He seems like a grounded guy who wants to play and wants to be appreciated.

    We've given him another chance in the PL and I think that will count for a lot with him.

    I'm 99% certain we'll sign him permanently in January.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Just a word on ‘Boro. If they do sign Fletcher, they’ll have him, Assombalonga, Braithwaite, Bamford and Gestede as their options up front.

    Good luck keeping them all happy…
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    £7mil is a decent profit and a decent amount for his current ability.....but it's a short sighted sale

    If he goes on loan and gets 10+ goals in the championship....which is very possible...his valuation will be over £10mil approaching £15mil depending if he exceed expectations
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    If he goes on loan does his wages still go on our books?

    Thinking about FFP.

    The 4 we've bought in must all be at the top end of out wage structure...
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    It would also be another HG player gone.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Yes, would bring us down to below the minimum.

    So we'd either have to ensure our next signing was HG, or name a HG kid in one of the 25 squad places.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Grey - what exactly are you doubting is true? Sullivan said on the club website that Joe Hart was "the best goalkeeper I’ve worked with and I fully expect him to be equally as good for us this coming season", "I expect him to be a great player for our Club and can’t wait to see him in a Hammers shirt at London Stadium for the first time" and "it would not surprise me at all if he is in the running for the Hammer of the Year award come next May"

    Bilic was a little more tactful by saying that Hart would have to earn his starting place like everyone else but its not hard to understand how Adrian and Randolph could see Sullivan's statement as an unambiguous message from the board that they were considered as back-up to Hart.

    With both Randolph and Adrian hoping to go to the World Cup there's little reason for either of them to want to stay at West Ham
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Leaving space for Wilshire to fill the HG??
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Or possibly Gray.

    Or like the Mrs G says, we could use Cullen, or Rice, or Burke to fill a squad place if we needed to (assuming they don't go on loan)
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    edited July 2017
    i thought Burke and Cullen were already off to Bolton ?

    If Fletcher goes surely we are angling for a move for Andre Gray ? one HG out one in ?
  • HammerexHammerex
    MrsGrey said:

    Yes, would bring us down to below the minimum.

    So we'd either have to ensure our next signing was HG, or name a HG kid in one of the 25 squad places.

    What is the minimum number reqd. for home grown players.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    8, hammerex.
    Hart, Byram, Collins, Cresswell, Antonio, Noble, Carroll, (Fletcher).

    We had 9 before Randolph left.

  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    but its not hard to understand how Adrian and Randolph could see Sullivan's statement as an unambiguous message from the board that they were considered as back-up to Hart.

    With both Randolph and Adrian hoping to go to the World Cup there's little reason for either of them to want to stay at West Ham

    Aslef, the signing of Hart was what set events in motion, imo. Not DS's comments.

    They aren't stupid - they'd know Hart was being signed with the expectation that he would be No. 1.

  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    ASLEF

    I'm disagreeing with the assertion/belief that Diddy D's comments were the spur for Randy and Adrian to consider doing the off.

    Randy and Adrian would have to be thicker than a concrete milkshake to not realise, on their own, that they were going to be playing 2nd fiddle to Hart.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    But he still phrased the comment wrong imo.
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