Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation (continued)

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  • May just be me, but I don't really get Coutinho ;hmm
  • Quick, skillful, play maker who can thread a pass from stupid angles, assist and score (he does get injured a fair bit though). Players like him and David Silva aren't easy to come by

    Now I am thinking how much playing time will Silva get a City now they've signed a younger Silva ;hmm Surely we couldnt go back to City and ummm, forget it ;wink
  • He does everything that Lanzini does but significantly better and more consistently, IMO.
  • Yeah I can't see Lanzini leaving
  • So, with Fletcher gone will we see a new forward signing?
  • I still wouldve wanted him to go on loan ( for a couple of reasons ). However, I hope we have a sell on clause or even a buy back one or I dont think 6.5M is that good business or that good an offer
  • edited July 2017
    MrsGrey said:

    So, with Fletcher gone will we see a new forward signing?

    IMO, yes.

    Our options now are:

    Hernandez
    Carroll
    Sakho
    Ayew
    Martinez
    Antonio

    Two are made of glass, one is entirely untested and two aren't out-and-out strikers.

    We need someone to support Hernandez and I think the club will get someone in to do just that. Pretty sure it'll be Gray.
  • Well we need someone, as I've just looked at the league table and we are bottom. ;doh
  • Hammerex said:

    Well we need someone, as I've just looked at the league table and we are bottom. ;doh

    Bilic out
  • Snodgrass to Celtic ;hmm

    Makeweight for Dembele to West Ham would be some good business
  • Can't help but feel that the club may view Martinez as the greatest prospect hence why they are happy enough to let Fletcher go

    £7mil for a player with one goal last season and only league 1 experience isn't bad with a 'reported' sell on fee of 20% this could be a decent deal

    Also does anyone know if the parent club will get money from a sell on fee if they are the ones buying the player

    For instance if we bid £15mil for Fletcher next year would we still get £3mil from the deal......
  • Shill bidding ;lol
  • alderz said:

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    Sorry to drag this up again but I've not been here for a couple of days, seen this and am a little aggravated. I think in general the Daves have done a top job this summer, and are clearly striving to give us the opportunity to push on. However, why does he feel the need to say this publicly, they have left our club, why drag them through the mud now? I know Sullivan tries his best for the club and he has a right to his opinion as much (if not more) than others, but it is bad practice in my opinion to deride people in public behind their back, unprofessional IMO. Particularly as it is yesterdays issue, season 16/17 matters not anymore. Slightly annoying.

    Also I would disagree that Zaza 'looked totally disinterested', he is not the run everywhere hit the channels striker, and we knew that before we brought him in. He is a middle-sitting, hustler, skill and shoot striker in the Berbatov mould. Unfortunately he simply wasn't as skilled as Berb so couldn't get away with it in our league. In Italy (and now in Spain it seems) where the game is played at a slower pace he is a useful player.
  • Nice to see us getting a bit of money back this summer

    Nordtveit, Valencia and Randolph were all squad players who netted us a nice £15mil

    Fletcher just elft for another £7m, pretty sure Adrian, Feghouli and Snodgrass may be off bringing in about £15m again so £37mil total (although I feel we should try get at least £8m for Adrian and Feghouli not the figures that have been mentioned)

    If they do get sold separately does leave us a little light in the wing positions but enough in the kitty to reinvest

  • It's a good business model get them for free and sell them next summer...

    But also it's a sign of our progress that we can sell these players without an impact on the first 11...

    When BFS got us up they would all have been first 11 probably...
  • Really hope that this Lanzini being injured and out of the Bremen games is legit and not due to speculation regarding him to Liverpool. Whilst I agree that currently he is a bit behind Coutinho in ability, so are a lot of people. I think if Coutinho leaves they could well want Lanz, yes he's not quite as good yet (certainly doesn't score as many goals) but is prem adjusted, good to go, and is getting better year on year. It is a real worry IMO if Barce do snap up Coutinho. Who else plays at CAM, is used to the prem, scores and creates, and is at a 'smaller' team than Liverpool so they can poach. Of all the examples I can think of, I would rather Lanz.
  • I think it's legit, Florin. The guy who is reporting 'live' from the training camp said yesterday that he missed training after rolling an ankle.
  • Really hope that's true MrsG, really don't want to lose our Little Gem. I'm just always dubious when players suddenly have minor injuries when speculation around them is high, e.g. Arnie just before moved to us.
  • edited July 2017

    It's a good business model get them for free and sell them next summer...

    But also it's a sign of our progress that we can sell these players without an impact on the first 11...

    When BFS got us up they would all have been first 11 probably...

    It does impact on the first 11 if we don't reinvest it though.

    With Antonio and Kouyate injured we can get by. But another injury to any midfielder and we will be looking light. You could say that, that is the way it just happens sometimes. But there should be two players for every position and we are 'Potentially' selling some wingers leaving us no backups. We pretty much are running with Arnie / Ayew / Lanzini (if he even makes it !) otherwise I have no idea what formation we will playing since we only have one fit striker currently ! and probably only one fit striker come the first game of the season.

    imagine if we were still relying on Sakho and Carroll becoming fit again ;whistle
  • Yeold - ;ok

    I was meaning they are players that are not part of our first 11 assuming all are fit...
  • True Vorse but the game is more than a first 11 to be fair. For West Ham its more like a game of 22 with the injuries we get.
  • Could be a consideration, especially if playing 3 at the back, that Cresswell and Byram are potentially 'back-up' wingers ... certainly not first or second choice, but back-ups none the less.
  • GK: Hart, Adrian

    RB: Zabaleta byram

    CB: Reid, Ogbonna, Fonte, Collins (Burke)

    LB: Masuaka, Cresswell

    CM: Noble, Kouyate, Obiang, Fernandes (Cullen)

    AM: Lanzini, Ayew

    WG: Arnautovic, Antonio, Snodgrass, Feghouli (Holland)

    ST: Hernandez, Carroll, Sakho (Martinez)

    Only we could have a strength in depth like that but also feel uneasy because so many of them pick up injuries

    Think we are a centre midfielder, winger (or 2 if Snodgrass and Feghouli leave) and a attacker short
  • edited July 2017
    Personally think Adrian will stay until Jan at least. See how it goes for 6 months and if he can gain his place back (think we all know never gonna happen apart from injury).

    We still need some depth to our squad. Really need another CM, another forward and potentially another person who can play behind the striker in one of those three positions, especially with Fegs and Snodgrass looking unlikely to both be here. You only have to take out one or two players (like Kouyate and Lanzini) and we're struggling again to field a competitive side. I think it's very naive to think we can rely on Fernandes and Cullen as back-up. Currently we have injuries hanging over 2/3 of our first team midfielders. Defence is ok, but depends how badly Collins and Oggy's knocks are and if Reid is gonna be ready for Man Utd.

    If we don't get those additional 2/3 players I don't think this window has been a success, just a window of signings that we should be making.

    Really hope G&S have stopped patting themselves on the back now and realise that a good start to the window needs to be backed up in the next couple of weeks with a couple more. They've done well but if we resting on our laurels we're gonna be short for the season IMO.
  • edited July 2017
    2 players would fill the squad (to 25) after which we'd have to sell before we could buy.
  • edited July 2017
    ;ok

    So CM and striker fills it.

    If Snodgrass and/or Fegs leave we need a replacement for him/them who is an improvement.
  • If the window closes now it's been a phenomenally successful one.
  • If we sign a CM or a ST or a WG or a CB that means we may as well let Cullen, Martinez, Holland, Burke and Rice just go now.

    If we need depth for emergencies let's use our youngsters
  • I'm with Luke, superb start, but we need a couple more. N'Diaye and Dembele would make it the perfect window!
  • I agree to an extent, ald, but I also think they would benefit from regular games. So Champo loans would be good, taking them out of our emergency equation.
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