Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation (continued)

Lukerz

Grey - but you're counting Carroll and Sakho as reliable alternatives. One won't be fit for Utd.

I call that 1 striker and 2 maybes. Never good relying on maybes.

Yeoldhammer

we need another Striker.... after that it should be one in one out...

Lukerz

Feghouli to complete his move on Monday to Galatasaray, according to Turkish media.

grey_til_I_dye

Lukerz

And you can't base your transfer policy on a single game. It may be that Chicarito isn't ready for Man U, and that AC is out and Sakho is being Sakho, and we have to start without a recognised CF. It's not ideal, but these things happen.

Like it or not, we've got Sakho and AC on the books, and until we get rid of one or both, I don't see the club doing much more in that position.

Lukerz

Grey - although DG publicly said we needed two strikers due to Carroll and Sakho being unreliable. So he obviously wants one more.

Unless we're continuing the recent misguided tradition and policy of counting a player as several in one. So Arnautovic goes from being an attacking winger to a left winger, right winger, No.10, striker, wing back.

I prefer counting them in their natural positions.

eskimoking

See, just to clarify, I don't want lots more, I want 2 more. That's it. This window has been a success, but it can be better and for me that is one high quality CM to compete with Kouyate (preferably N'Diaye) and another high quality forward to cover for our injuries and any loss of form (preferably, although unlikely, Dembele). I don't want any more of this square peg, round hole business and I think those two and we are golden.

MrsGrey

I agree with those saying it's been a very good window.

It could, of course, get better. (Although I'm not sure it will.)

So if there are no more changes, it's been very good.

I don't agree with Luke's comment If we don't get those additional 2/3 players I don't think this window has been a success

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Of course it could get better. But I think people should enjoy who we have signed, rather than worry about more, because I think they're setting themselves up for disappointment.

baracks_a_hammer

My view is we will let one of snodgrass and feghouli go, and also Sakho and then pretty much nothing will happen until late in the window when I think we will try and get wilshere and gray.

eskimoking

billybondsbeard said:

We're not in for N'Diaye - we've not even shown an interest, he's been touted by the agent of Onyereku (?), and Nigerian media, and it has been lazily picked up by some journo's.

Doesn't mean I can't want us to go for him... I don't expect us to actually sign either of the two I've mentioned.

jay_in_cpt

If we are considering DM reinforcement , from what I've heard and read young CB Declan Rice put in a well impressive performance last night, perhaps another good showing or 2 would make them think he is decent backup...?
Personally id like 1 more striker ( after Fletcher sale )...
Any other players to be released would need to be replaced with better than what we had , if that happens it'll IMO be a great transfer window

Adam

There's no way that I think 3 strikers, two of which are Carroll and Sakho is good enough for this coming season.

I'm not talking about quality but realibility. We definitely need another striker in my opinion.

baracks_a_hammer

Even Bournemouth have better striking options than us overall

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

I'm ieth alderz think some youth players are good enough for 5th choice in there current position

You can argue they need first team football but loan over can also happen in Jan i they really aren't getting enough game time

Think Burke and Cullen can definately deputise as 5th choice at CB and CM and if they can't they should probably be sold as they won't be good enough

I would rather Holland get game time then another Tore

ASLEFshrugged

Baron Runs? Wasn't he one of the baddies in Robin Hood?

baracks_a_hammer

I don't think many would argue with that champo. But the key to it is the youngsters actually getting their chance. Last season saw a lot of players being played out of position.

If we didn't further strengthen in one or two areas, the inevitable injuries/suspensions ensue, and we then did things like playing kouyate at r/b or Antonio up front, then I personally would be pretty annoyed.

chicagohammer

ASLEFshrugged said:

Baron Runs? Wasn't he one of the baddies in Robin Hood?

I am thinking Cinderella ;wink

1975Hammer

http://www.themag.co.uk/2017/07/newcastle-west-ham-swap-deal-claimed-cards-break-transfer-deadlock-newcastle-united/

Adrian - Darlow

1975Hammer

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11065/9166434/transfer-news-maximilian-arnold-to-stay-with-wolfsburg

We have been linked with Max Arnold ... but then, quite a few others too.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Lukerz said:

Yeah ;ok

A 7/10 window.

But we could make that 8 or 9/10 with a couple more additions.

As it is our bench at Old Trafford is gonna look something like:

Adrian (?), Fonte, Byram, Masuaku, Fernandes, Snodgrass (?), Martinez

That isn't good enough IMO.

The first 11-14 is fine being reinforced, providing they put in top performances every week and stay fit. We still need game changing potential off the bench though.

I'm not overly worried about how the bench looks for the first game of the season, and I'm not sure why anybody would be.

There are 37 games after that. You can't sign a load of extra players because they might miss one or two games at the start of the season.

When 95% of the squad are fit then we will be able to put out a very competitive side. That's probably the best we can do. We all want two great players for every position but seeing as we aren't in Europe and tend to get knocked straight out of the cups, it's not a sustainable route for us because we can't keep 22 players, all of whom think they should be starting, happy.

MunichHammer

The only thing that keeps excelent players happy on the bench is money. We can't afford that kind of wages do therr is no way we can buy players that would fit into our first team simply for emergencies.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

I agree if we brought in a new centre back just to sit on the bench because Reid is gonna miss the first 2 or 3 games makes no sense likewise for Kouyate and Antonio

I'm happy for the "one in one out" policy that's being discussed atm the squad doesn't NEED anything other then a back up striker given Sakho and carrol history

If we lose Feghouli or Snodgrasa then bring in a winger.....lose em both maybe get a younger player with big potential e.g. karamoh from Caen who we were looking at etc or Patrick Roberts on loan from City

We lose Adrian bring in a keeper

Lose Sakho bring in a striker

As of right now, in my opinion, the first XI is about as good as we cna get right now, and we are only a striker short for depth with a good talent pool at youth level to choose from if needed in Burke, Rice, Cullen, Martinez, Holland, Trott not to mention Samuelsen and Browne who have somewhat gone unnoticed with their respective injuries

eskimoking

No one who's commented saying they want more signings has said they want a centre back. Just clearing that up.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Yea I know it was just an example of buying depth for short term fixes

eskimoking

Champo ;thumbsup
I would really like to see Burke/Rice given a shot if possible this season, Cullen too. Not sure Quina/Holland are ready. Maybe, Martinez but I wouldn't want too much pressure on him. I don't think another striker and competition for Kouyate would hinder those chances personally.

alderz

Eski, I'm pretty sure (might be wrong and if so I apologise) that there was a comment about Collins and Fonte having "a combined age of nearly 70" and needing replacing.

alderz

I see Calvert-Lewis, and Davies, and Holgate, and Browning getting games for Everton and I just don't see why we couldn't have some youngsters being the back up to the back up too. I can't believe that our kids are that much poorer than Southampton's and Everton's

eskimoking

alderz said:

Eski, I'm pretty sure (might be wrong and if so I apologise) that there was a comment about Collins and Fonte having "a combined age of nearly 70" and needing replacing.

Yeah I remember that, not today though, I was referring to the large number of posts today.

eskimoking

Ald, back to the point I keep making, which doesn't disagree with what you've just said. Which other player, including youngsters can take over Kouyates role if he's unavailable?

And which player, youngsters included are you pinning our hopes on as being one of two fit strikers available for the majority of the season, other than Hernandez?

I'm not saying don't play youngsters, I want to play youngsters but those two still need addressing. Honestly I'm concerned that the majority of people posting today don't think it's an issue because that likely means people in the club don't think it is either. Just wait til Kouyate or Hernandez get injured and people say we have no one reliable to step in. Can we save this post so people can't respond with "hindsight is a wonderful thing"?

alderz

Well, personally, I don't have Kouyate down as a starter, so finding a back up isn't a priority for me. But, I think with some bulking up Fernandes is capable of that role.

And I do actually think we need a striker. With Fletcher going I think he should be replaced. I guess my point centres more on the idea that this window (if it ended right now) would be seen as anything other than a big success.