Where did I ridicule it? I said it was painful to read and as I have said, for me it was. That isn't ridiculing it.
If I had written that Moojor would you’ve or expressed an opinion that is was “painful” to read? I’m going to stick my neck out and say you wouldn’t of....I’m just trying to figure out what you were trying to achieve by posting that type of comment, given Andy Swallows history/so called reputation.
Well, no he wouldn't, because it would have been against site rules. Any pain he experienced would have had to remain a private matter.
You haven't imagined it ;ok But the rule applies only to posts made by members on here. People out in the wider world aren't covered by site rules.
Surely this rule was added to the site because it is a way demonstrating a kind way of respecting other people in general, and I would imagine we would extend that to all regardless of being a member of the group or not.
If the rule is thought through for all the right reasons, surely we would want to extend in general to the site.
If Moojor is suggesting his reason for posting that was because he was genuinely in pain physical or mental at attempting to establish the points made due to the grammar used then I will accept that, but I feel sure the reason we put this rule on the site is because it is a way on many forums in which people exploit a persons lack of expertise in expression or grammar to belittle and put down rather than address the post through manner of debate. For me it's point of respect and general kindness.
And there for all to see is my lack of expertise in how not to quote a partial part of a post. I know it looks like it's all from Mrs Grey so I have put italics on my response otherwise it could look like she is talking to herself, which I am sure she never does.
We aren't going to restrict opinions about non-site members, as long as the language used doesn't break the no swearing rule.
Over the years, a large number of people (from current owners to former manager, from public figures to fans of other clubs) have come in for a bit of a bashing for whatever reason - Andy Swallow is just the latest.
If site members want to take it upon themselves to treat all the same, they can do. But anyone who doesn't isn't going to get modded for it.
Oh I am more than happy to have anyone have their opinions held up to the light but this was about grammar and grammar alone, about this one rule if being made for the right reasons then being applicable in general, would you agree with that?
I have no problem if anyone wants to share their opinion of a post or even the poster if they have put themselves into the public spotlight.
Oh I am more than happy to have anyone have their opinions held up to the light but this was about grammar and grammar alone, about this one rule if being made for the right reasons then being applicable in general, would you agree with that?
The rule was made to ensure that people on here could feel comfortable posting, regardless of their familiarity or otherwise with rules of spelling or grammar.
In a similar way, we don't let people on here call other users 'twonk', for example, but Lawro is fair game.
That's a fair example Grey and I appreciate that. It's only my opinion but I just feel that when someone criticises grammar etc there can sometimes be a little more spite or educational elitism than a simple 'twonk', and that's something that's not nice.
I respect however that you have clarified your view and will leave it there. It is likely a reaction in myself to my own educational shortcomings and poor grammar at times.
Greg Smith Admin · 37 mins CANCELLATION OF MARCH STATEMENT RWHFAG was set up in November to galvanise the board into recognising that the REAL West Ham had died in the move from Upton Park to the Olympic stadium, that the promises made to keep the spirit alive had not been met and that with no evidence of meeting those promises despite the efforts of various supporter groups over time something had to be done differently. Our aims were encapsulated in the saying “a stadium fit for football an experience fit for fans”. Broadly speaking that incorporated potential uncovered seating pitch side, stewarding, heritage, the memorial garden, disability access and the overall fan experience - big flags in the ground, half time, statues, walkway to the ground etc. The march was put forward as an option as we had little traction following a meeting in January where we outlined our aims and given other groups similar experiences after meeting club representatives. The threat of the march has indeed brought Karren Brady to several meetings and David Sullivan to one and the agreement to work with the RWHFAG on finally delivering in a meaningful way on the groups aims. We hoped when we set out to get to this position - that we have achieved this much in such a short time is a testament to the power of each and every member of this group. The reason we called the march - to get the board to listen to us to acknowledge our legitimate concerns and to work with us have been achieved - on this basis the RWHFAG see no further reason to march, which some individuals found difficult to accept but is nonetheless the position. This means that £20K plus - the vast bulk of the money raised - less expenses for stickers,flyers etc - will now be going to the Isla fund and presented at half time at an upcoming game. We will be contacting our founder members to discuss a way ahead for the group in our ongoing dialogue with the club to deliver on the commitments made to us. We would like to thank everyone for their support -RWHFAG members and the supporters and admin of all the other groups we have worked with to get us to this position where the board are listening to and working with the supporters for the benefit of the club as a whole. We believe that the club and the board want to deliver these changes and see the power of working together on this. This is a great opportunity for unity of purpose between the club and West Ham fans and that we can all work together for the common goal of making West Ham as great as it can be In anticipation that people would have been traveling without tickets to the march we purchased a group booking - anyone who still wants to attend the game please contact us . People who are traveling from abroad and have difficulties coming over now please PM Andy thanks
Very difficult decision just been made by the looks of it.
My read of the situation is that the club have really gone out of their way to listen and accommodate so many requests that the organisers had to either allow it to be become a board out group or accept they wanted listening to and have been.
However the decision taken ends the size of momentum behind them and quite likely the ability to wield that size of group as a power again as it will now splinter.
I would fully expect a splinter group to emerge at this point and try to resurrect the march on the grounds that their aims had still not been met. But once the splinter has occurred it's likely finished as the force it could have been.
Personally I would have tried make the case to members that we were being listened to and that if we reject the board for doing what we were asking then we end up no where. Make the march a show of solidarity and a warning to the club but around the narrative that it's now time to deliver, no more chances. Allow it before had to be known that after this march a period of time would be allowed before the next demonstration in which significant progress would be expected to be delivered in the intentions promised.
To take away the march completely will splinter. It would not have been easy but they could have changed the narrative of the march more easily than just remove it.
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If the rule is thought through for all the right reasons, surely we would want to extend in general to the site.
If Moojor is suggesting his reason for posting that was because he was genuinely in pain physical or mental at attempting to establish the points made due to the grammar used then I will accept that, but I feel sure the reason we put this rule on the site is because it is a way on many forums in which people exploit a persons lack of expertise in expression or grammar to belittle and put down rather than address the post through manner of debate. For me it's point of respect and general kindness.
We aren't going to restrict opinions about non-site members, as long as the language used doesn't break the no swearing rule.
Over the years, a large number of people (from current owners to former manager, from public figures to fans of other clubs) have come in for a bit of a bashing for whatever reason - Andy Swallow is just the latest.
If site members want to take it upon themselves to treat all the same, they can do. But anyone who doesn't isn't going to get modded for it.
I have no problem if anyone wants to share their opinion of a post or even the poster if they have put themselves into the public spotlight.
No.
The rule was made to ensure that people on here could feel comfortable posting, regardless of their familiarity or otherwise with rules of spelling or grammar.
In a similar way, we don't let people on here call other users 'twonk', for example, but Lawro is fair game.
I respect however that you have clarified your view and will leave it there. It is likely a reaction in myself to my own educational shortcomings and poor grammar at times.
Let's hope so!
Greg Smith
Admin · 37 mins
CANCELLATION OF MARCH STATEMENT
RWHFAG was set up in November to galvanise the board into recognising that the REAL West Ham had died in the move from Upton Park to the Olympic stadium, that the promises made to keep the spirit alive had not been met and that with no evidence of meeting those promises despite the efforts of various supporter groups over time something had to be done differently. Our aims were encapsulated in the saying “a stadium fit for football an experience fit for fans”. Broadly speaking that incorporated potential uncovered seating pitch side, stewarding, heritage, the memorial garden, disability access and the overall fan experience - big flags in the ground, half time, statues, walkway to the ground etc. The march was put forward as an option as we had little traction following a meeting in January where we outlined our aims and given other groups similar experiences after meeting club representatives. The threat of the march has indeed brought Karren Brady to several meetings and David Sullivan to one and the agreement to work with the RWHFAG on finally delivering in a meaningful way on the groups aims. We hoped when we set out to get to this position - that we have achieved this much in such a short time is a testament to the power of each and every member of this group. The reason we called the march - to get the board to listen to us to acknowledge our legitimate concerns and to work with us have been achieved - on this basis the RWHFAG see no further reason to march, which some individuals found difficult to accept but is nonetheless the position. This means that £20K plus - the vast bulk of the money raised - less expenses for stickers,flyers etc - will now be going to the Isla fund and presented at half time at an upcoming game. We will be contacting our founder members to discuss a way ahead for the group in our ongoing dialogue with the club to deliver on the commitments made to us. We would like to thank everyone for their support -RWHFAG members and the supporters and admin of all the other groups we have worked with to get us to this position where the board are listening to and working with the supporters for the benefit of the club as a whole. We believe that the club and the board want to deliver these changes and see the power of working together on this. This is a great opportunity for unity of purpose between the club and West Ham fans and that we can all work together for the common goal of making West Ham as great as it can be
In anticipation that people would have been traveling without tickets to the march we purchased a group booking - anyone who still wants to attend the game please contact us . People who are traveling from abroad and have difficulties coming over now please PM Andy thanks
My read of the situation is that the club have really gone out of their way to listen and accommodate so many requests that the organisers had to either allow it to be become a board out group or accept they wanted listening to and have been.
However the decision taken ends the size of momentum behind them and quite likely the ability to wield that size of group as a power again as it will now splinter.
I would fully expect a splinter group to emerge at this point and try to resurrect the march on the grounds that their aims had still not been met. But once the splinter has occurred it's likely finished as the force it could have been.
To take away the march completely will splinter. It would not have been easy but they could have changed the narrative of the march more easily than just remove it.
Sorry, what does that mean?