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There are also suggestions on WHO that threats have been made to RWHFAG representatives via the criminal underworld. There is no proof, and possibly never will be, that the financial offer was conditional and the threats of violence are true and can be substantiated. But, I have a feeling that something has gone on above and beyond promises to display a couple of badges and weed the memorial gardens to call off the march.
As I have said previously, I cannot muster the required oomph to march over a bunch of chaps kicking a bag of air around. But I know that there will be thousands of disappointed Hammers this morning who feel let down. As others have said, it looks like many thousands may still march, and although it looks like GSB have initially played a blinder, the mood now is probably more militant and more anti board.
As Trump would say SAD!
As has been said before, the march would have been bad press for the club and not the Daves. I dare say that the possibility of a march still remains so if a compromise was reached between the groups and the owners to call it off and the groups were happy to do so to keep animosities down in future discussions, why not?
I just don't get it why somebody would deliberately discount anything and everything coming from the owners.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make (sorry) ;puzzled
Until more info comes out.
If I have misinterpreted what you wrote, I am sorry.
Any fool with a keyboard can put out anything they like on soshallow meejah.
What I find bizarre is that, without any evidence, other people are prepared to believe whatever is written.
I now believe the Club are matching the RWFAG contribution to the fund as it's been reported in minutes of Wednesdays meeting.
Thanks for clarifying.
Ironherb. I read the minutes/statement from RWHFAG before I posted, it`s where I got the info from. However, even though "in print" so to speak, I cannot prove, (as no-one can unless there in person), that what is said at meetings and documented is 100% gospel. Again IF what has been documented is true then I find the sentiment "call off the march and we will donate £20,000 to the Isla fund" reprehensible.
I have also said in the past that although not particularly liking the board, I would much prefer them to a Russian oligarch (gangster) or Saudi oil thief. I have no particular axe to grind but (and perhaps this is just me) that snippet of info, the donation, is wrong on every level.
I`m not a fan particularly of the Premier League and the vast sums of money involved. Money seems the answer to everything, and if money has been the answer to calling off the march, however good the cause, then I think I`ll stick to watching my daughters team on a Sunday.
I have been following the similarities within the movement to a union and this is where the politics went wrong as they needed ballot, even if through nothing more than a facebook poll with regard their suggestion of calling off the march, after this was not done it was always going to work out badly.
There is a lot of trust and big reputations among fans which is being questioned by many now. As communication is made I have no doubt the picture will become clearer but now the politics has been messed up the communication must be foot perfect.
I will say the board have played a really good hand and I feel put the admin in a really difficult place by being so reasonable and accommodating that the admin had to either change their whole stance to we want the board out or do what has happened, go back to their large group of which some were attracted by the more extreme stance of board out arguably encouraged and fired up by themselves at times and say we are calling off the march.
Could have done a few things
1. Refuse to meet the board until after the march and state that the fans group wish to be heard and on a greater stage than a boardroom, but that we will sit down afterwards. This is then a show of strength and the march would have been big so would have focussed attention.
2. Remove all personal responsibility by asking members whether they wish to march but attempt to persuade from within the group to a more reasonable position to side line the more extreme board out aspect.
3. Change the narrative of the march by explaining we accept in good faith your promises and will now make the march a celebration of the west ham we seek together to bring to the new stadium, a new start etc etc. In other words a far better natured march but one that would no doubt serve to demonstrate strength.
None are without difficulties and obstacles but were better in my view than the path taken.
They’ve been put in a difficult position but they’ve made their decision worse by not consulting their members first especially in light of one of their posts the other day essentially calling their members to march in numbers or don’t bother.
Also they didn’t consistently reiterate that the march may not happen if the board open up to dialogue, which they have it would seem, another mistake.
They’ve now got to hope Brady keeps to her word in order to get anywhere but the damage is already done, many within their group don’t trust them for one (unjustified) reason or another - expenses, trips, funding etc
They’ve been boxed in, they should never of gone to sully a house and never of attended the short notice meeting they should’ve said were marching on the 10th regardless, if we see changes after that date to make the club better then we will think about not marching anymore. Take the buckets with you and raise the other £25k on your own for Isla
Now you have them round a wobbly table and another group marching, it’s a mess
Only at WHUFC
I can understand them calling it off from the perspective of the issues they raised appear to have been addressed, or will be addressed, and the board are now actively engaged in meaningful dialogue, but to do it unilaterally without any form of consultation with either their own members or other groups is madness imo. As you say, there are far better courses of action they could have taken that would have kept the pressure up and indeed could have been celebratory. As far as the board is concerned, it would appear that they have played a blinder, but I think last nights events, plus the wording of the boards statement to encompass all groups, may actually create a backlash and harden the other groups resolve. The RWHFAG appear to have achieved a great deal in a short space of time and have at least got GSB to recognise that there may be problems for some fans, but they have also created a momentum that wasn`t there before and is hard to just switch off.
The board used it's experience in negotiating by giving away things that were either easy to give away, flags with previous badges, or beyond their control, anything E20 related that can't be guaranteed.
The march may still go ahead as: -
@WHUISA2017 has publicly said this morning that they are still planning to protest and are in talks with the police today.
It will probably transpire that those still intent on marching have absolutely no idea why they're marching but think it's a good idea.
Whether this is true or not (although I expect there will be quite a few of those who are against anything offered) this is what I reckon the club's position will be. So good luck getting them to your table.
May I ask why?
1, freedom to join a March
2, for any West Ham action group that, felt the need to give up there own time to demonstrate, which I agree with!
3. Maybe to get public interest going.
But in this case, I don’t like the way it’s been cancelled
Tell me why I shouldn’t march
And secondly
It may be against the people that think cancelling march is ok, I need more facts,,, but am angry,,, we shell see
What exactly are those still marching actually marching for because I have absolutely no idea.
I suspect againty the board, incoherent at most levels.
Like I say, I was not interested in marching till now,,,