Slaven Bilic named as West Ham Manager (09.06.15)

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  • ;doh ;lol Those Friday games really throw you out of kilter.
  • Is there anyone else out there who believes Slav should stay? Sure I am concerned, but I still believe he can turn things around.
  • Nope last night was the last straw for me this can’t carry on the players aren’t playing for him when that starts happening it’s never going to end well. If the board can’t see that then we really are doomed.
  • I really like him as a person (based on the way he comes across in the meeja etc - I've never actually met him ;whome ). I am ambivalent, party because I think the players must take a lot of the blame. If they are so wonderful (as seems to be believed by some who argue that Slav is 'ruining' them) then why are they not actually playing better and doing basic things right?

    For a while, our defensive play (not, note, our defence but the whole defensive performance) was rubbish. That's mostly been fixed. And that's down to the coaching team. Unless you believe that it (rubbish defending ... subsequent improvements) is all in spite of the coaching team? In which case, sacking them will have no effect.

    If as everyone says, confidence and momentum are big factors, then is it surprising that performances have struggled. Since we don't have confidence or much momentum. (Fans play a part here.)

    And yet. And yet. We now have pretty much all of our players injury free. But still we play badly. I don't know if Slav knows what to do to fix it. I am doubtful, therefore, f it is actually worth him staying. (I think his lack of experience is telling, here.)

    I am wondering if, in the context of 'now we have our best team available' it is rather the case that we have our best players available. But are they, together, really the best TEAM. Because I am tending towards thinking that the transfer targets (for which I hold the manger responsible) are 'good players' but not really 'the right players that will form a good team and combine to be more than the sum of their parts'.

    Sorry. Rambling a bit. Thinking aloud. But I think that last bit I said is at the heart of it and explains why we have (on paper) many skilful players but not really a team that gets the best out of everybody. ;hmm Will think some more about it. But if that IS the root of the problem, getting rid of Slav now won't fix it.
  • I disagree that the players weren't playing for the manager. Arnautovic was being him - a sulky, lazy player (we knew this). Hernandez was trying to get things going and Zabaleta played wholeheartedly as he always does. The rest did not play well enough and need to step up.
    I hope Slav grows some, and stops defending the players. There was nothing wrong with the starting team. They should have played better. I blame the players.
  • I agree, Slav is getting all the stick, and has to carry the can, but at the end of
    the day we had eleven players out there which should have been good enough
    to beat Brighton, and must also take the blame with a pathetic performance.
  • Hammerex said:

    I agree, Slav is getting all the stick, and has to carry the can, but at the end of
    the day we had eleven players out there which should have been good enough
    to beat Brighton, and must also take the blame with a pathetic performance.

    correct 11 players, Brighton had a team
  • Mrs G ;ok i got told to 'do one' (the swear word version) on twitter because i said the players should take the blame as well as Bilic + it wasn't all down to him.
  • So if it 's all down to the players and not the coaching how come Brighton performed as they did with players that most on here wouldn't have in their team? ;hmm
  • NEoldiron said:

    So if it 's all down to the players and not the coaching how come Brighton performed as they did with players that most on here wouldn't have in their team? ;hmm

    Who said it is "all" down to the players? ;puzzled
  • Twist, read the posts prior to mine
  • Is there anyone else out there who believes Slav should stay? Sure I am concerned, but I still believe he can turn things around.



    Yeah there's no hope and bob hope. ;wink
  • Surely anyone who wants Bilic to stay must have that desire because of their affection for him? It can't be for his tactical nous and ability to motivate the players!
  • If trying to bring down to as simple a statement as possible I would say he has tried all his ideas and has now run out of new ones so it's best for all that he goes.

    His greatest attribute is his passion and belief in attacking football together with his man management, and I feel his greatest weakness is his transfer business, it's possible the board have been responsible in part for this also but we will certainly not know to what extent, but either way I feel for the money spent a manager who has had 4 transfer windows should have a more cohesive team than we do.

    The bookies list of potential managers is the usual bunch and only 1 or 2 would inspire you, you then have the unobtainable and the Harry Redknapp so I think the club will likely let him stay for a bit at least but will be working upon a change to be in place by the start of the next transfer window.
  • edited October 2017
    I was thinking yesterday .... with Newcastle up for sale, how much longer will Benitez be there. It's very common for new owners to want to bring their own guy in. (I'm not saying I want Benitez, but given that he's already fairly disillusioned, might G+S make overtures ;hmm
  • edited October 2017
    Mrs G - I would have thought the exact opposite. Benitez's main problem was the lack of funds Ashley was providing for new players so Ashley leaving and new (possibly more generous) owners would be more reason to stay.

    Why would the new owners want to replace a world class manager at a less than world class club? They aren't going to get anyone better than Benitez and he's doing incredibly well with what he's got. The new owners should be begging him to stay

    If common sense existed there would be no counterpoint to your comment ergo common sense doesn't exist.
  • Agree with ASLEF

    In Ashley, Rafa currently has not exactly a great owner. He must be delighted that is about to change. Why on earth would he want to leave and join the Dave’s especially after the carvalho saga. He won’t come anywhere near us IMO
  • Aslef et al

    I wasn't saying he would come to us. And yes, I agree that if the new owners promised him more money for players that would likely solve a big part of his disgruntlement.

    And it would make sense for the new owners to keep him... but how often do owners do the sensible thing?
  • See your point. The new owners may even want to step it up further and go for an Ancelotti- who knows?
  • I'm with Mrs G on this. New owners tend to want 'their' man in place otherwise if all goes well it's down, in this case, to Rafa and not them.
  • Rumours on Twitter that Bilic offered his resignation after the Newcastle game but the board turned it down ;hmm
  • Excellent so they probably don’t want him long term, but won’t do anything short term and he may not want to be there right now

    Recipe for disaster?
  • Rumours on Twitter that Bilic offered his resignation after the Newcastle game but the board turned it down ;hmm

    Mark Noble - "This club is no longer a circus"

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  • How difficult is it to pick a manager you think would be good for the club and do everything to get him? It will require some cash because most of those managers are employed. How much do they want the club to progress?

    Wagner or Silva would be exactly what we need. A young, dynamic coach is exactly what we need. If you want to go more experienced then Benetiz is an ideal pick. Bilic just isn’t good enough in certain areas.

    What they are doing currently is embrassing and very negative. Knowing they will let Bilic go in the summer but won’t pull the trigger now because the freebies are not who they want. Shocking.
  • Watching the West Ham u23 game against Chelsea u23's and I can see why Bilic is reluctant to put Martinez in the team. He looks like he will score goals but not a lot else. He looks slow with quite a heavy touch but definitely has goals in him. Similar to when we had Nolan
  • If the rumour concerning bilic resigning and allegedly saying goodbye to the players after the Newcastle game is true is it any wonder recent the performances (even the victory v Swansea) have been so insipid ;doh

    If a manager is struggling and as a result wants to resign, why on earth would any club want to turn it down ;doh

    The daves have done themselves no favours in the recent past. If they want to pussy foot around and do neither one thing nor another, they might as well follow mike ashley’s path and put the club up for sale.
  • So they wouldn’t pay the asking price for Carvalho and they won’t pay to get rid of Slav.

    14m net spend in the summer

    Anyone seeing a trend?

    There were also scuffles in the Corp boxes on Friday, the natives are getting restless
  • edited October 2017
    But it’s even worse SCHB - if he actually did offer up his resignation they wouldn’t have to pay up his contract right? So it then only comes down to a reluctance to actually pay a release fee for a manager who is a step up who might already be in a job ;doh

    My hunch is that in the summer we will be welcoming Moyes to the London Stadium
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  • They just had a brief conversation on MOTD2 about the Bilic situation. The main point they made was Slav saying I got us out of a similar position last season and am confident I can do it again, they commented shouldn't the question be why are West Ham in the same predicament as last year & it isn't a defence to say you can fix it again?
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