Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation (continued)

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  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Sorry Herberz ;ok
  • imagelostimagelost
    thornburyiron said:

    Slav has said we've offloaded players to give us the budget to buy a quality CM but if we don't get our target we won't bother. If we've got the budget and Carvalho is the target why won't we just say here's the €40M and stop the messing around.

    Stop messing about ,,, in a Kennith Williams IMG_3736
  • MarkNobleLocalHeroMarkNobleLocalHero
    edited August 2017
    For Sullivan its all in the haggle.
    Would be great running a stall in the Kasbah souk.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    But nobody pays €40m n one go. Where do you find €40m?
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited August 2017
    A Google search for

    kyle walker offer rejected

    shows that we are far from the only club (and miles from the wealthiest) who don't simply pony up the first number a selling club thinks of.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    but its clear Sporting want the release clause for Carvalaho. Seems odd if they know the release is 40m and they go in with 30m rejected 32m rejected 35m rejected that they want the full 40m or its not happening. Seems like time wasting. Why would Sporting settle for less than 40m in todays market.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    That's the nature of any business, though. Just because somebody sets an asking price for a house doesn't mean you steam in with an offer of that amount straight away. At least try your luck first.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Yeold

    But we don't have any idea of what has actually gone on, do we?

    However, even if we have done what you suggest, that is (again according to rumour) exactly what pretty much every other club does.

  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    The West Ham way lets keep increasing our offers in increments, other club lets just make an offer that activates the players release clause, "quelle surprise" they get the player we don't! Simple.

    Surely someone knows how Sporting work? Can someone tell me how long it took from the news breaking last night that WBA were interested in signing Oliver Burke to him being announced as signing? ;doh
  • BarneyBarney
    I am sure other clubs dont just give money away no matter how rich they are. also it appears that most transactions take a long time. Burke may be an exception but I bet the negotiations went on before 'the news breaking last night' to completion. or perhaps they wait for a press rumour and then make a bid?
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Barney,

    It's not as case of giving money away. ;ok It's more a case of West Ham as a club appearing to get involved in long drawn out transfer negotiations, normally not ending successfully, whilst others just seem to get the transfer completed a lot quicker.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Fortune

    Try doing the search I suggested (or anything similar).

    There are links to a number of transfers that show that your statement is not actually true.

    Not sure how the club are supposed to defend themselves against such charges, since they don't have a basis in fact.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    grey,

    Sorry but how long did we pursue Bacca last summer? ;ok
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    That was because Bacca didn't want to join. Should we have kidnapped him?
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Yes.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Under the circumstances, yes, considering the amount of time we wasted "supposedly" negotiating his transfer and therefore didn't look into any other viable alternatives. ;whistle
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited August 2017
    Fortune

    The Bacca saga hardly supports your argument since we'd agreed a fee with the selling club. The fee was agreed as early as July 9th.

    http://www.teamtalk.com/news/west-ham-agree-huge-deal-for-milan-striker
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Jorderz_Slaven_A_Good_Time said:

    That's the nature of any business, though. Just because somebody sets an asking price for a house doesn't mean you steam in with an offer of that amount straight away. At least try your luck first.

    I get that but if they know the release cause and they go in with the 30m offer fair enough and they get rebuffed. Then they go in with 32m and get rebuffed again ? why are they thinking 35m is going to work when Sporting have said. Pay the release cause if you want him. Its not rocket science if you have got rebuffed that many times its quite simple they aren't selling him unless you pay the release.

    It seems like they are beating a dead horse.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    edited August 2017
    grey,

    I have done the search and it appears to me that City made an offer it was rejected and they were told how much it would cost to sign the player they then up the offer and the deal was concluded.
  • alderzalderz
    Yeoldhammer said:

    but its clear Sporting want the release clause for Carvalaho. Seems odd if they know the release is 40m and they go in with 30m rejected 32m rejected 35m rejected that they want the full 40m or its not happening. Seems like time wasting. Why would Sporting settle for less than 40m in todays market.

    But it was clear we wanted more than we got for Payet.

    If we wanted it but didn't get it because he wanted to leave, then what is different?

    I heard people say in January we couldn't hold out for our value because of x, y and z, but when it comes to us buying the argument is "just pay it".
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Alderz the owners didn't want to sell Payet, Slav did ? Perhaps Sportings manager and owners are on the same wave length.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Portuguese clubs tend to try and drain every penny out of a transfer so it's not surprising.

    I geniuinely don't see the problem I'm trying to ensure you get the best deal, especially when but-out clauses are typically massive overvaluations.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Fortune

    There are links to lots of stories

    City having a Mendy bid rejected, Everton having Siggy bid rejected. City have had a bid for Evans rejected.

    Just from the first couple of pages.

    It happens all the time.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Trying to get the lowest possible fee is the only responsible way to do business, IMO.

    If the Daves paid the first price every club asked for, we'd be bankrupt by now.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    On the Mendy deal City made an offer, it was turned down, and they were told what figure would be acceptable they offered it & the rest is history.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Fortune

    Then we'll agree to disagree.

    You see our club as unique in its inability to do transfers quickly.

    I assume that back and forth and negotiation and counter-negotiation is a standard part of transfer business that pretty much all clubs go through with some of their transfers.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    I don't think the 40 million is the problem, I think the problem is how it is paid. We want to pay in installments and I think Sporting want a large lump sum up front and then installments.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    grey,

    I am probably blinkered by my frustration that we get linked with quality players and as what does happen with other clubs we don't sign them and even worse get blindsided by another team and they acquire the player. ;ok
  • tomkinsworldclasstomkinsworldclass
    All the exceptionally wealthy clubs can afford to pay large chunks of the transfer fee up front as they have the resources; everyone else normally spreads it over the length of the contract (amortised) in order to make it financially viable which is why the whole "net spend" opinion is normally gimmicky as it isnt that binary as football computer games make out. The independent did a good piece on transfers which is worth a read:-
    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/transfer-window-premier-league-revealed-how-a-transfer-deal-really-works-a7837031.html

    As for Carvalho. He's a top player, very good reputation, an important player for them so I'm sure they are wanting the best possible deal and are possibly looking to maybe get 1 or 2 in before they let him go. As outcastlondoner said, the Portuguese clubs are well versed in selling players on, at a big profit and negotiating the best deal possible. Its principally how they survive and continue to compete year after year. I think we will get Carvalho and just need to be patient as things will become clearer now Sporting have qualified for the CL. I believe Carvalho will line up for us v Huddersfield.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    twc,

    Or for Chelsea if the latest rumours are to be believed!
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