Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation (continued)

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  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Dodger58 said:

    I don't think we need other European Leagues to follow suit.

    If they don't then there's no point changing it. As Aslef says, it won't lead to a 'settled squad' for the start of the league, as other clubs in Europe can still come in and take your players.
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    I don't think the European thing is a problem for most English teams.

    Only a few teams in Europe can take players from England if the English club doesn't want to sell them

    This won't change, the teams that are effected will be the top 6 as the only clubs that will have players that Barca Madrid etc want.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    I think the Russian and Chinese windows are open after ours close already so I can't see it being a problem . I would prefer it was done and dusted by the start of the season.
  • alderzalderz
    I think it's a problem, because the Chinese and Russian leagues aren't an appear to most of the big players. It seems to me that it would severely impact our league if we couldn't bring new players in but the likes of Coutinho, De Gea, Hazard get poached to other leagues.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Until is happens it will be hard to tell, big clubs will always poach players but if the window is closed the selling club will be less inclined to sell and English clubs are in the strongest position in years to hold on to their players. If a player throws a strop because a big club comes in for them they can do that anytime . Players will know if they want a move they are more likely to get it before the deadline.
  • adecokeradecoker
    edited August 2017
    Vorselaarhammer said:


    the teams that are effected will be the top 6 as the only clubs that will have players that Barca Madrid etc want.

    The top 6 and West Ham. Julien Faubert went to Real Madrid. Perhaps that's the reason why Robert Snodgrass wasn't involved on Sunday..



  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    ;hmm

    BREAKING: West Ham will turn to Porto midfielder Danilo Pereira as the £31m move for William Carvalho has stalled.

    [Mirror]
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    http://www.claretandhugh.info/carvalho-talks-go-on-despite-new-target-report/
  • eskimokingeskimoking
    See this is a load of rubbish. It was reported last week that a decision wouldn't be made until after the qualifiers. Now they're trying to make out it's stalled. Just go away journalists.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Surely most clubs in most of the major leagues would prefer to have a settled side once the season starts. No reason not to have the summer transfer window across all European leagues to close on 31st July. All business is resolved before any of the major leagues start, clubs in most leagues have a week or 2 to get all new signings settled before the season starts.

    It's so logical it will never happen ;doh
  • MunichHammerMunichHammer
    A transfer window from 01/06 to 31/07 would be perfect. It would mean the clubs start with a settled side and almost 9 weeks should be more than enough to arrange transfers.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;hmm I could see problems because of the impact of the summer competitions (World Cup, European Cup) which would basically take a month out of that window. Leaving about 2 weeks before and 2 weeks after to do transfers. I can't see clubs, players or agents being too keen.
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    with our record of new signings getting injured straight away. do West Ham, really want the window closing as the season starts ;hmm
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Mrs G it needs 14 PL clubs to vote for it and according to SSN a majority of clubs have reported they're in favour of it so it could possibly get through.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    To me it has never made any sense that the window remains open after the season has started. It should open midnight of the last day of the season at close midnight a day or two before the season starts again.

  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    It opens on 1 July because most contracts run until the end of June but a simple change to make contracts expire 31 May would enable window to run from 1 June until say 15 August.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    It would probably close on someone's fingers...
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Which season, suz? PL? Championship?

    I wonder what would happen if the window was for new signings AND sellings.... ;hmm That would get round the problem of the window closing here but European clubs being able to still buy your players leaving you no time to get in a replacement.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    I don't know... I didn't think about that.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    It would still need to be ratified by EUFA / FIFA.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3181166/transfer-rater-yusuf-yazici-to-liverpool-eliaquim-mangala-to-west-ham ;nonono
  • alderzalderz
    Contracts running til 1st July doesn't make a difference, as they're all on holiday then anyway. And that only impacts free transfers.

    The start date of the window doesn't really matter in the summer - we announced Nordtveit in like March or something last year. They do it all year round, it's just the day the player officially turns up, which doesn't matter anyway as they are all on the beach on the first day of the window.

    MrsG

    I agree agents and players wouldnt like it, but also, if the rules say otherwise it's not really up to them, is it? They like it going into the season because then teams panic and they can fleece them for more money.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;ok

    But that argument (panic -> fleecing) applies to clubs too.

    I'm interested to find out how the different advantages/disadvantages are prioritised by the clubs. I notice that Watford has already come out against the idea. (Linked to the fact that they are part of a franchise that has clubs in Europe too, I wonder?)
  • adecokeradecoker
    edited August 2017
    Bazshuayi said:

    with our record of new signings getting injured straight away. do West Ham, really want the window closing as the season starts ;hmm

    It would surely help solve half of the problem and save money. There would be no signings made after the start of the season who could get injured at the start of the season while all of the pre-season signings would already have been injured during the pre-season.

  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    edited August 2017
    Alderz the fact that contracts run until 30 June is why the window officially opens on 1 July. Nobody except out of contract players can sign for anybody until 1 July.
    If clubs don't think that 6 weeks is long enough then have the window open 1 June and end mid August or even 31 July.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    thorn

    The official opening of the window is a moveable feast.

    According to the PL handbook, it is open after midnight of the last day of the season OR on a day that the PL nominates.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    edited August 2017
    What do contract expirations have to do with signing in-contract players anyway?

    Out of contract players become free agents from that date but with the others, the contract is being broken ahead of time. I don't see why the contract end date has to dictate the beginning of the transfer window.
  • alderzalderz
    Thorn

    But there are dozens of transfers every year that are announced prior to the 1st July. Even if the window starts then (I don't think it does, btw), what does it matter? They still negotiate beforehand. It just affects the day they first show up, and if they're already on holiday and don't show up til the 10th July or something then what does it matter for the start date
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    No transfer speculation? ;whistle
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    The point I was making is that new contracts cannot be signed before 1 July.
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