Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation (continued)

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  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    If this came off, there's a very small chance that even Twist might praise the owners...
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I'm not sure the CL would come into it if he is determined to get to the EPL unless, of course, one of our CL teams takes a fancy to him.
  • FlorinRaducliousFlorinRaduclious
    I was between jobs for part of the summer of 2015 and watched pretty much all the 2015 European U21 Championships. Due to weird rules a 23 year old William Carvalho could play for Portugal's U21, after he had already played for at least a year for the senior team. He was awesome. Head and shoulders over most other players in the competition. Obviously he clearly benefited from being further ahead in his development than most other players but I remember at the time thinking that he had a huge future in front of him. Every transfer window I have expected him to move to a bigger team in a bigger league but he has stayed with Sporting. I must note that outside those U21 Champo's in 2015 I've only seen him play once at the last Senior Euro's in 2016 in the final. He looked good in that. From what I have seen he would be great for us. A definitive DCM who sits and holds. Great engine but not a top end sprinter. Resultantly not as everywhere as a Kante, but had very good distribution and vision, exceeding Kante IMO. Very calm on the ball. Very strong and a top tackler. He is a pure DCM in that he didn't push forward too much, I imagine he would work best in a 433 with the middle three working as a 'v' with him at the base. Maybe this is why Bilic wanted fewer attacking mid's as he wants to go 433 rather than 4231?

    -----------JH/ASM-------------
    PZ/SB---WR/JC--JF/AO---AC/AM
    ----------Carvalho----------
    ----CK/MN-------PO/ML-----
    MO/RS------------------MA/AA
    ---------JH/AC/DS----------

    Looks a good squad. Efectively take your pick from 5 for the two box to box CMs. Fernandes can come in as one of the higher CMs or Wingers, and Lanz can also play wing. Obiang can deputise at DCM if Carvalho is out.
  • tomkinsworldclasstomkinsworldclass
    Florin, ;clap ;clap He's always impressed me whenever I've seen him and if we can get it over the line then it would be a great addition for the club. An out and out DCM, very composed, efficient, strong and intelligent in how he plays the game. Would hopefully free up Noble, obaing, Kouyate, etc to play higher up knowing that we do have a high quality holding midfield back.
  • FlorinRaducliousFlorinRaduclious
    Would be a huge signing TWC. At the moment I in all honesty am not getting my hopes too high as I thought another big budget signing was unlikely this summer. I just really hope we do see it transfer confirmed on the official site! Freeing up those boys could enable us to play some good technical football IMO, with Carvalho spreading the play and being the lynch pin. Generally I have been a fan of 4231 for us, but feel that formation with Carvalho wouldn't work quite so well, so it would be a change of style for us if it occurred to the 433, however Slav was clearly experimenting with that over the pre season.

    Moore_than - in a classic 433 the two wingers don't track back too much. Protection is done with the three middle men who shuffle across slightly where necessary to where the play is, particularly the 'free' DCM. Antonio would certainly not be in the middle three but one of the wingers - he is not technical enough for the box to box men, but is right for the wing position being quick and a good dribbler. For a classic 433 (think Barce) of your three middle you have an out and out DCM (ie Busquets) and then two more box to box but generally technically very astute players (ie Xavi/Iniesta/Rakatic), obviously we'd be on a slightly lower level!

    **please note the MO on my above formation at RW should have been MA!
  • FlorinRaducliousFlorinRaduclious
    edited August 2017
    Just realised I misread your point Moore_than, sorry! I personally think Noble, Kouyate, Obiang, Lanzini and Fernandes could all play the middle two above the DCM as box to boxerz. Choose depending on opposition/form. My only concern is that if we do bring in Carvalho we will have too many players vying for only a couple of places and akin to Nordtveit last year, someone will not get enough games and be unhappy. In my opinion that is likely to be Kouyate as he is probably not technical enough to play that formation. This would be a shame as I like CK, but that is what I think is likely. Of course if he would be willing to play at CB...

    As far as the central striker goes 433 leads more into the hands of a quick forward as opposed to a hold up man, as he has the two wingers up with him pretty much all the time. With 4231 the lone striker role is more of a target man who then has the three attacking mids catch up to him and he can lay it off to them. Thereby 433 is probably better for Chicharito where as 4231 is probably better for Carroll.
  • McHammerMcHammer
    Lisbon have signed Battaglia to replace him so looking good. Keep these non exciting signings rolling.
  • McHammerMcHammer
    In less good news villa claim the Snoddy rumours are not true
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    It's a World Cup year so Snoddy needs first team football ;run
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    In an eloquent sort of way, I'd wet my pants if we signed Carvalho! ;wahoo
  • imagelostimagelost
    Any sauce with this carvalho story
  • imagelostimagelost
    imagelost said:

    Any sauce with this carvalho story

    New I mean
  • FlorinRaducliousFlorinRaduclious
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  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Sadly just don't see Carvalho going to us, think the club are kean and Carvalho does want to go the team EPL.....but at a bigger club and this is just a bit to prompt someone into gazumping us
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    As always I will be blindly optimistic and say hes coming!

    (note to self: learn from Bats ;weep )
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    What a signing that would be and what a transfer window!
  • MarkNobleLocalHeroMarkNobleLocalHero
    More from Jinxed on KUMB;
    Talks ongoing

    We're at 30 they're at 37 (release clause) should meet somewhere in the middle today
    Here's hoping ;pray
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    What's encouraging here is that it seems we have a player who actually wants to come and play for our club. Ditto hart, arny and chicharito. I know £££ will play a big part, however you only need to roll back a year when we were prepared to offer a big fee and package to Bacca and the bloke had no interest in joining us.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    I would be really surprised if there are legs to this story, as I wasn't now expecting us to do anymore business.

    I've never seen him play, but he seems to be highly-rated by everybody else, so very exciting ;thumbsup

    If he's as good as I'm hearing, would this represent our best PL transfer window ever?
  • LukerzLukerz
    Glad the club didn't really mean 'no more CM's'. ;thumbsup
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I still also think we will be after a striker loan too at the end of the window, having shifted a few out
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    is Carvalho really a 30m+ player ? from what I have being told from friends whose clubs were previously linked with him. He is good but not a game changer that some people seem to be making out.

    But I guess if its a position that is really that important maybe it would be for us.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    They did say 'no more exciting signings' and DM does come under that category.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Apparently Lanzini will sign a new 85k a week contract ;hmm that would quash any roundabout fears of Lanzini to Liverpool with Coutinho up in the air.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Don't let the old 'signed a new contract' ruse fool you. Just means we'll get more when he goes, which he won't. ;whistle
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    One of the hurdles would be the CL qualifier later this month I would presume.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Lukerz said:

    Glad the club didn't really mean 'no more CM's'. ;thumbsup

    Did they actually say that? ;hmm Maybe Carvalho was somebody who Slav didn't think would be available, but then suddenly was.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Yeold

    Depends how you define 'game changer'.

    If a player could come in and stop the opposition waltzing through our back line at will, that would be a significant change, imo.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Yeh, our defence has been our biggest problem. If hart, zab and supposedly carvalho can't help make that better, then we may aswell all pack up and go home.
  • adecokeradecoker
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Yeh, our defence has been our biggest problem. If hart, zab and supposedly carvalho can't help make that better, then we may aswell all pack up and go home.

    I've got my train ticket booked, case zipped up and am just wondering when my lift to the station is going to turn up.

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