Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation

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  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    Hamstew said:

    Not too bothered if manager doesn't want a player. But would be pretty annoyed if it's taken this long for Bilic and our owners to realise they had different views on him.

    Surely that is the first part of the process

    Do you want this player?
    No.

    Move on then. Why ask him after a 'deal has been agred'?

    Also why leak that this was Bilic's 'fault' - just so the kids on twitter slag him off instead of the owners?
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    No im rather saying that Baz is a proven miracle worker and we could do with a sprinkle of his magic dust

    Whilst its extremely flattering to have miracle worker feats mentioned and obviously we are in troubled TF times (so feelings are heightened), I have to say that any sprinkles I have left (I used most of them up for the Spurs game) need to be saved for actual matches.

    I considered choccy topping but, in such troubling times, the best I can do is a lemon squishee

    I've already had to call an emergency house meeting today to discuss the very real possibility of no Batshuayi or Iheanacho. There was a lot of dissent and a lot of tears shed. Things got very heated and there were admittedly a few personal comments bandied about in the heat of the moment.

    It's a massive relief that only I live in my apartment or it could've got a whole lot worse ;wink

    squishee
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    TwistAndShout said:

    Hamstew said:

    Not too bothered if manager doesn't want a player. But would be pretty annoyed if it's taken this long for Bilic and our owners to realise they had different views on him.

    Surely that is the first part of the process

    Do you want this player?
    No.

    Move on then. Why ask him after a 'deal has been agred'?

    Also why leak that this was Bilic's 'fault' - just so the kids on twitter slag him off instead of the owners?
    You have to wonder if all is tickety boo between the owners (esp Sully) and their manager. The comment after January that Slav was "happy with what he'd got" (which I suspect wasn't true). The non contract renewal. And now a difference of opinion on a player seemingly arising quite late on.

    I do wonder if this all fizzles out to an end a year from now
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    TwistAndShout said:


    Surely that is the first part of the process

    Do you want this player?
    No.

    But you assume the NO/YES answer is unrelated to value? It surely isn't. If the manager has been told he has X amount to spend, he is surely within his reasonable rights to say 'yes, I'd have him but only if'... and set conditions.
    TwistAndShout said:

    Why ask him after a 'deal has been agred'?

    You assume - with no evidence - that this is the first Bilic has heard of it. Why can you not think that - as seems very logical - you go back to the maager at the final stages and say, OK you liked this player ... we did the negotiations, this is the deal. Are you in or out? You get the final say.
    TwistAndShout said:

    Also why leak that this was Bilic's 'fault' - just so the kids on twitter slag him off instead of the owners?

    You assume
    - the owner(s) leaked it.
    - there was an intention to 'blame' or place 'fault' rather than simply explain and give reasons
    - there was an intention to deflect negative comments on to the manager.

    All 3 assumptions that make the owners look bad and the manager come out of it smelling of roses.

    But - what if the owners version is accurate, and it is Bilic's fault? Is that not a possibility?

    You assume the worst of the owners and the best of the manager .. but you have no more grounds for doing this than those twits who do the reverse.
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    At this moment I personally dont care who is at fault etc. as that'll eventually come out when Bilic is given the tin tack or sees out whats left of his contract. I care that he's not coming to us and that we had the capability to get him but dropped out.
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    Mrs G, surely everyone is 'assuming' based on what they've read, by Hugh, sky etc... So why pick out my post? ;hmm
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    edited July 2017
    On a completely different, away from striker TFs, theme....

    Outside of Lanzini we are totally lacking in the creativity dept. Should we be considering bringing Ravel back? He wouldnt cost much at all and we can only gain or once again take a small loss on him. e.g. nowhere near the 10M we've lumped on Snodgrass who's not exactly set the London Stadium (or any other stadium) alight. Getting that second chance in the Prem with us might see a more mature and grateful Ravel linking up with Lanzini ;hmm Just putting it out there
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    I think maybe the final deal was the problem bilic said he wanted the player the chairman agreed a deal but it was too expensive buy back clause was too high took too much of the budget etc that Slav decided he would rather move onto a another target on the list. I hope that that we have plenty of other deals in progress we have nearly two months of the window left to get it right
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    I'd accept the move on to another target stance if that were the case. However, how many Iheanachos at 25M will there be in this TF window? Also, those that would actually come to WHU ;hmm
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Spot on Baz. The Iheanacho deal may not have been perfect, but if we can't secure a decent alternative then we could end up regretting not taking the risk.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    TwistAndShout said:

    Mrs G, surely everyone is 'assuming' based on what they've read, by Hugh, sky etc... So why pick out my post? ;hmm

    I was responding to your post. Pretty much in the same way I responded to OCS and Luke on recent pages, suggesting there might be more than one conclusion to be drawn from the situation. And responded to other people's comments in the same vein with an 'agree' rather than a substantive comment.

    Maybe you skipped past my posts on the previous 2 or 3 pgs.

  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited July 2017
    Bazshuayi said:



    Should we be considering bringing Ravel back?

    No. Been there done that. Didn't work 1st time, won't work 2nd time.

    Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over again in the same circs, expecting a different outcome.. when NOTHING else has changed.

    If there was evidence that he'd overcome the problems that previously led us to ditch him, I'd view him favourably. But as far as I can see, nothing has changed in his attitude or approach. Why would it turn out any different 2nd time around.

    Divorce has gone though. Move on.

    No need to add a bad apple to the barrel - will only cause problems. imo
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    edited July 2017
    Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over again in the same circs, expecting a different outcome.. when NOTHING else has changed.

    That is a very good way to sum up quite a few peoples feelings about our transfer business! ;weep
  • HappyHammer_ishHappyHammer_ish
    Could argue a fair bit has changed since he was last here to be fair... diff manager coaches n staff, different players, different style of play, different stadium... he's older, not sure we've seen evidence he hasn't improved his attitude...

    Not saying we should bring him back... but he was good for us when involved in match days...
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Bazshuayi said:

    Should we be considering bringing Ravel back?

    Well his contributions on the transfer speculation threads are definitely entertaining...
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Ihenacho to Leicester
    Giroud to Marseilles
    Hernandez?
    Gray?

    Anyone left we can buy.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Yeold - it'll end up being someone we've not really been linked with.

    They are just the strikers filling the rumours section of West Ham social media.

    Still plenty of talented forwards not on the list.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Good call Adam. Ex's article last night suggests we're looking at Leicester strikers now Iheanacho looks to be going there.

    The piece is also pretty damning of our transfer policy. I know some discredit Ex but what he says does go some way to explaining why we seem to struggle to get people in quickly

    thewesthamway.co.uk/2017/07/06/exwhuemployee-iheanacho-low-plus-news/
  • BazshuayiBazshuayi
    I was thinking about Slimani too once the Iheanacho pain was subsiding. If we are truly going for Gray then I think they'd potentially make a good combination up front. However, Leics paid a lot for Slimani and I doubt theyd sell him for much less. My conclusion is that he'd be too expensive especially for someone who didnt keep his place much last season
  • LukerzLukerz
    This caught my eye from the article:

    Valenica should complete his move to Mexico tomorrow and Andy Carroll is likely to miss the start of the season through injury
  • McHammerMcHammer
    OldCastleSwift said:

    Good call Adam. Ex's article last night suggests we're looking at Leicester strikers now Iheanacho looks to be going there.

    The piece is also pretty damning of our transfer policy. I know some discredit Ex but what he says does go some way to explaining why we seem to struggle to get people in quickly

    thewesthamway.co.uk/2017/07/06/exwhuemployee-iheanacho-low-plus-news/

    Wonder who the former ajax winger is?
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

    This caught my eye from the article:

    Valenica should complete his move to Mexico tomorrow and Andy Carroll is likely to miss the start of the season through injury

    Yeah, Enner going to Mexico comes as a bit of a surprise..... ;whistle
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    Slaven_A_Laugh_Lukerz said:

    This caught my eye from the article:

    Valenica should complete his move to Mexico tomorrow and Andy Carroll is likely to miss the start of the season through injury

    Just pay him off and save the wages. Getting beyond ridiculous now
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Twist

    Don't suppose you'd care to wait for official news before caning AC?

    And if we pay him off we will pay him the wages, so there will be no saving.

  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    once again I see on NEWS NOW that we have agreed a deal for a proven attacker and find out it's an attacking midfielder and it's Lanzini!!
    The other day it was West Ham agree deal for midfielder and it was Obiang.
    All we seem to be doing is signing our own players!!
    It gets the pulse racing and then it's a complete let down.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    So you're not happy getting Lanzini and Obiang to sign new contracts then?
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I just want AC's rehab to be managed carefully so as he's fit enough to pass the medical for the club we try and offload him to

    When you look at his time here, pretty much all the rumours of him being injured turn out to be true and they are typically only inaccurate because he ends up being out for even longer than reported!
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Huttonhammer said:

    once again I see on NEWS NOW that we have agreed a deal for a proven attacker and find out it's an attacking midfielder and it's Lanzini!!
    The other day it was West Ham agree deal for midfielder and it was Obiang.
    All we seem to be doing is signing our own players!!
    It gets the pulse racing and then it's a complete let down.

    New deals for Obiang and Lanzini is great news.
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    Why is it great news they are already our players it doesn't improve the team one bit.
    Seems like smoke and mirrors to cover the fact we have not signed anyone that will make us a better attacking force this season. In midfield or attack.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I see where hutton's coming from. When I see "£75k a week for attacker agreed" I get excited. I know I really should know better than to get my hopes up based on some spurious reports but then when it turns out it is just a contract extension it's somewhat underwhelming (even though it's good one of our better players wants to stay for a while)
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