Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation
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They also probably didn't leave their home to a new 60,000 stadium to 'move on to the next level' ;ok
I was answering Grey's question about who we should have signed and when you consider that one of the players I mentioned we went in BIG for last Summer it indicates that Slav and the Davids were keen. ;ok
Why are we letting Feghouli go especially at such a low price if it has been reported correctly?
Rarely got in team in front of Shane 'hardly ever scores but runs a lot' Long last season.
Has had a career threatening injury and was out for a very long time.
Meets the 'Premiership experience' criteria
Sounds perfect for us (alongside Callum Wilson of Bournemouth) ;whistle
That would be the Jay Rodriguez who, since AC came to us, has made fewer starts and scored fewer goals?
THAT Jay Rodriguez? You wish we had signed a player who plays less and scores less than AC?
Fortunes - OK, but we were never going to get Lacazette.
He actually scored a few for Hull when on loan and Everton I'm guessing will want him gone.
So we could make a move for 'crackin' Niasse' ;run
Just to recap, our summer 2015 business was as follows:
Randolph
Obiang
Payet
Ogbonna
Jenkinson
Lanzini
Antonio
Jelavic
Moses
Song
We followed a good window with what generally follows; a good season. 7th place and a positive GD, over 60 points accumulated. Only thing that would've topped it woud've been winning one of the domestic cups. We were in Europe (albeit fortuitously).
Now correct me if I'm wrong, following that we moved home; the dream of Sullivan, Gold and Brady. This was not a move the fans campaigned for, this was a move they campaigned for and got, through the backing of the fans, after putting forward a case as to why this move was absolutely necessary for the future of the football club, its stability, its growth potential and all round standing in, not just domestic football, but potentially European football long term. What Karen Brady stated was "it is our duty to put out a team matching the stadium". All these words and actions came from the club hierarchy, not the supporters.
What has followed has been nothing short of a shambles in terms of player purchases (in hindsight). Now many will say "we signed players with reason for optimism last summer/these guys had international and European experience/came from big clubs". Maybe. What we know is that they didn't produce immediately. If we don't get results in our jobs, however results are judged, we don't get "well in hindsight it looked a good idea, just unlucky it didn't work out". What we get is something like "big mistake, hasn't worked, please don't repeat it and learn from your mistakes". So whatever the good intentions behind Nordtveit, Feghouli, Snodgrass, Zaza, Calleri and Fletcher, the results were not there to back up the purchases. Then you have to consider the sales of two important first XI players from our successful 15/16 season for a combined fee of around £37m (Tomkins and Payet).
So I can completely understand, based on the evidence since the summer of 2015 (including Emenike, Byram, Snodgrass and Fonte), and particularly since we moved to the new ground, why there is concern amongst some and I don't think it is fair to imply those fears are stupid or dramatic. They are based on IMO three pretty below par transfers windows given the strides the club has made on the pitch and off.
At the moment, we are coming to the end of week 1 in July, and we sit at one arrival (32 year old and a free) and several first team departures from the squad that kicked off last season, with more looking like following.
The owners, of course, can put this right over the next 8/9 weeks and I hope they do. There is plenty of time and I will wait until September before judging the window.
For my part, what I don't get is the 'we haven't got players by the start of July - that's a disaster!' attitude.
Since you say you are happy to wait until September, I guess that's your view too.
People can worry about what they like.
But. I just don't think that whether players turn out to be bad signings, or need longer than we hope to settle, or pick up long-term injury, or don't make the step up (some of the reasons why in hindsight we say it was a bad window) is in any way related to how early we get the deal done (one major anxiety expressed by some folks on this thread) or how quickly we secure a signature compared to how quickly other clubs secure the signatures of their particular targets.
It's not like signing early -> a player will be a good signing.
Signing in the last few days of the window -> player will be a bad signing.
I don't think we need to have loads of signings right now but by the end of July we need a couple as they need to hit the ground running
Would you be happy with him?
In case you've forgotten - Andre Gray, braithwaite, Giroud, Iheanacho, Luis Jiminez, Walcott, Modeste, Bakambu, Chicharito, Muriel, Defrel, Daniel Sturridge, Batshuayi, Karamoh, Chris Wood, Steve Mounie, Teodorczyk. Think that's all but may have forgotten one or two!!
Understood. I just think that obviously doing business quickly is certainly beneficial, given us better preparation to hit the season. So I can see why some are slightly more impatient, especially given last summer.
I wouldn't want to play 3 games of the season and then sign two strikers on deadline day after starting with Fletcher or Antonio up top, even though you could say "they are for the long term and those three games won't define our future".
Think he could be a useful addition, but would want him to be accompanied by another signing, hopefully a more 'proven quality' striker.
I understand the fear of panic buys but I wouldn't call anybody not signed by 4th July a panic buy. I'd called panic buys literally last day of the window signings.
I'm pretty sure you could find an equal amount of bad signings which were signed early in the window as those signed late ;hmm
2. Hernandez
3. Bakambu
;ok Although id like to think we could get 2 of those 3.
I'm not convinced it makes much difference in the long term though.
2) Iheanacho (think if we were going to get him we wouldve already - Lots will want him)
3) Hernandez (would IMO link up great with Carrol/Lanzini/Ayew - Also price wise excellent but now its broadcast i'd again be surprised if he came to us)
Gray is gettable and he's quick/a nuisance + scores pretty well numbers wise.
I never wanted Giroud but theres a quote from some Everton guy I read a few minutes back saying Everton are signing him and Rooney.
Wonder if we'll try for Walcott if/when Giroud goes.... He wasnt getting in the side late last season when they switched to 3 at the back. Ox was in front of him with Welbeck/Giroud up front ;hmm
having A C WHEN fit, I would be happy to have any of the named strikers above.