Summer 2017 Transfer Speculation

baracks_a_hammer

Last year's terrible window I fear will set us back a year or two. We were out of Europe even before the transfer window shut. The club as a whole was not properly prepared for a shortened summer break due to our European campaign starting early. Had we scraped into the group stages we would I'm sure have had better outcomes in terms of players come the end of August.

As it is we will likely be considered a similar proposition to the likes of Stoke and West Brom when it comes to players potentially joining us.

If you were a striker you'd probably want to think twice before joining us anyway as it is likely that you will become rubbish or injured (or both) should you choose to do so.

MrsGrey

Huttonhammer said:

Mrs grey

Whatever it takes to get a decent player that will make a difference needs to be spent.

West ham have only once ever spent more than 15 million on a player . 15 million only gets an average premier league player and with the amount of money that clubs get from tv revenue , the sale of our old ground etc that I think shows a complete lack of intent to mix it with the bigger teams.

So you are saying that the past spend was too low to demonstrate 'intent' because this season we have more TV money?

Can't see the logic in that argument tbh.

The 'only time we have spent over 15' - yes, when we bought Ayew, last season, after we had sold the Boleyn and paid off some of the debt. That shows, imo, that as the financial situation improves, the owners are prepared to increase the transfer budget. That's 'intent' isn't it?

I don't accept that

Whatever it takes to get a decent player that will make a difference needs to be spent

and anything less demonstrates the owners lack of intent. I think suggesting that we should pay 'whatever it takes;' means you are doomed to disappointment because imo your expectations are wholly unrealistic. And in any case, even if the owners agree with you, FFP would prevent them - the club has to be run within specific financial limits are to wages and overall debt.

Pearces_Left_Foot

I don't get all the negativity , its like moaning about your Xmas presents in November before you know what you got ;lol

TwistandShout

Huddersfield sign Tom Ince for 11m. They've spent 25m already

MrsGrey

Well, for an undisclosed sum, anyway.

The only officially released figure Huddersfield have owned up to is £8m for Mooy.

Pearces_Left_Foot

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40496970

Lacezette medical might kick things off abit

MrsGrey

Pearces_Left_Foot said:

I don't get all the negativity , its like moaning about your Xmas presents in November before you know what you got ;lol

;lol

And making stuff up to moan about ... haven't we got enough real things to be ;weep and ;angry about?

Yeoldhammer

like what exactly ?

MrsGrey

Unless twist is unhappy because he thinks WE should have been in for Ince? Twist, have I misinterpreted your comment? ;puzzled

alderz

Us being linked to players is nothing to do with the club. People can't complain that we are linked to players when we know full well that newspapers, "IDK" twitter account, and others make up rumours constantly.

TwistandShout

MrsGrey said:

Unless twist is unhappy because he thinks WE should have been in for Ince? Twist, have I misinterpreted your comment? ;puzzled

My point was other clubs getting business done and we're not

grey_til_I_dye

We have said we are after two forwards (with PL experience as a criteria, although that may have to go at some point.)

Forwards who are any good are the most difficult players to find and sign.

We could get business done if all we wanted was average PL players.

I'm glad we haven't done that kind of business.

MrsGrey

Well, twist, to put it into perspective, we've got as much done as Stoke, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man Utd and Southampton. More than Burnley and Palace. (7 clubs)
While we are only 1 signing behind West Brom, Swansea, Newcastle, Man City Liverpool and Leicester. (6 clubs)

And not even those if you ignore loans and look only at permanent signings.

There's nearly 2 months of the transfer window left.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I’m 99% certain if you analysed the overall, long-term success of any given signing against which point in the transfer window he was signed i.e. ranging from very early to very late, there would be absolutely no difference.

We’ve made terrible signings early and great signings at the last minute.

Whether or not a player is ready for the very first game is pretty insignificant in comparison to signing the right player for the right price, who will prove valuable long-term.

IMO.

baracks_a_hammer

MrsGrey said:

There's nearly 2 months of the transfer window left.

The thing is a similar rhetoric was put out last year, and look who we ended up with.

I'm personally not panicking just yet, however I don't blame anyone out there who is...

MrsGrey

barracks, there seems to be a feeling that it's like supermarket closing time - if you don't get in early all that's left is the 'reduced on their sell-by date items' but of course the transfer market isn't like that, as we know.

Our signings that didn't don't work out aren't a consequence of WHEN we sign them, imo.

The sequence of signings doesn't follow the pattern that he best get bought early and the dross get left.

jorderz ;ok

McHammer

Talksport

West Ham are the latest club to express an interest in Inter Milan defender Andrea Ranocchia.

The 29-year-old, who spent the second half of last season on loan at Hull City, is being linked with a number of clubs in England.

Huddersfield, Newcastle United and West Brom are all said to be tracking the centre-back and Inter are ready to sell.

West Ham, according to Corriere dello Sport, are now in the mix too for Ranocchia as they look to bolster their squad for the new season.

Inter have reportedly informed clubs the Italian can be snapped up for around £5m and they will let him decide his own future if a number of clubs match the offer.

TwistandShout

We've know all season we have needed a striker. We shouldn't have to rely on a last minute panic.
We should be signing players ready to have a pre season and get to know his teammates and how the manager works.
'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail'

Hamstew

I'm not sure our chairmen are very good at transfers ;lol

IronHerb

TwistAndShout said:

Huddersfield sign Tom Ince for 11m. They've spent 25m already

Didn't see you screaming for us to get Ince. Lots of clubs have bought lots of players but not many of them have been strikers.

Huddersfield, Brighton and Newcastle probably need to buy 6 or 7 players apiece, we don't.

Fortuneseeker

If Jose is doing his nut at the lack of signings and wants 2 players in by Sunday so they can be on the plane for their tour I am happy to think we aren't pushing our transfers through quickly enough. If someone can guarantee me that we will bring in two top strikers in time for them to be ready for August 12 then I will sit quietly in the corner and be patient.

By the way selling Feghouli for peanuts isn't going to assist in increasing the transfer kitty much is it especially as I keep ready I am being to unrealistic about the owners not spending enough to make as more competitive? ;ok

MrsGrey

TwistAndShout said:

We've know all season we have needed a striker. We shouldn't have to rely on a last minute panic.
We should be signing players ready to have a pre season and get to know his teammates and how the manager works.

I absolutely agree.

However, it is not a perfect world where everything we think 'should' happen can happen. If it was that easy every club would have their transfers done and dusted by the start of pre-season.

To say West ham are failing is just not realistic: how many clubs (even those with gazillions of pounds to spend, sexy managers, Champions League football to offer, and a strong likelihood of trophies and medals) get their targets in by the start of pre-season?

So to moan about West Ham not achieving their signings by 5 July is imo unjustified.

TwistandShout

IronHerb said:

TwistAndShout said:

Huddersfield sign Tom Ince for 11m. They've spent 25m already

Didn't see you screaming for us to get Ince. Lots of clubs have bought lots of players but not many of them have been strikers.

Huddersfield, Brighton and Newcastle probably need to buy 6 or 7 players apiece, we don't.

Wasn't screaming for Ince, no. Just saying other clubs are doing business

grey_til_I_dye

Twist

How many PL clubs in this window have signed strikers that you think we should have signed?

That, imo, is the only relevant criteria to judge the club on.

MrsGrey

Aroune Kone. On a free. Available. PL experience. Probably not too expensive. No Pl clubs interested, some interest from Bolton. We could have got him by pre-season, affordable signing on fee.

Would that have made you happy - a warm body ready for pre-season?

MrsGrey

TwistAndShout said:

Wasn't screaming for Ince, no. Just saying some other clubs are doing some business but some are doing none at all and some aren't doing any more than West Ham

Fixed it for you. ;ok

thornburyiron

Also there are lots of different factors involved such as who do we want, do their clubs want to sell them, if yes how much do they want, are we prepared or can we pay it. Finally would those players want to come to us. Likelihood is that the type of players we want would also be wanted by five or six other clubs and if those clubs are top half of the table then they are probably more attractive a proposition unless money is the prime motivation.

TwistandShout

grey_til_I_dye said:

Twist

How many PL clubs in this window have signed strikers that you think we should have signed?

That, imo, is the only relevant criteria to judge the club on.

Sandro Ramirez and Jay Rodriguez for a start ;ok

baracks_a_hammer

The only way we could have got success quicker is by offering over the odds. A £30m bid would have perhaps got giroud by now. Or perhaps an outrageous bid for a josh king. Fact is we can't operate like that. Everton are enjoying the spoils of the stones and impending Lukaku sales - so they can.

Similarly we could have caved in to a "worse than a loan" deal for iheanacho. If the terms of that deal makes mugs of us, the daves are quite right to walk away.

Fortuneseeker

grey_til_I_dye said:

Twist

How many PL clubs in this window have signed strikers that you think we should have signed?

That, imo, is the only relevant criteria to judge the club on.

Mischievously Defoe or that player we bid for last summer but didn't get but is very close to signing for Arsenal now whats his name? There is two that immediately come to mind and you can throw in Tammy Abrahams, better option than Andre Gray who we are linked with, and Ramirez who was within our price bracket as we are not flushed with money I keep being told.