Brexit: the next stage. Deal or No Deal? (and the General Election)

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  • Yes but that doesn't change the fact politicians with the power should of acted, but didn't
  • I agree with regard Keir Starmer as he does seem to be a common sense politician and they are always my favourite. I think we would have to wait and see how he fares in the coming couple of years as he will likely be thrust forward within Labour and so we will get to see a more complete picture.


    I am a little uncomfortable with the political fall out of the Grenfall tragedy as I think everyone needs wait until facts are known before casting blame. It may turn out that everyone's first conclusion is spot on but it could just as likely be way off the mark. I feel however that political gain should not motivate any side when such tragedy strikes. I don't necessarily imagine that were Labour in govt from 2010 that the tragedy would have been averted, These terrible things happen but fortunately very rarely and we learn from them hopefully.
  • I liked that Jezzer refused to stick the boot into May when tempted to by journos.
  • Regarding brexit I just don't see how we can negotiate anything resembling the position were in prior to the referendum with all the benefits and opt outs and vetos.

    The EU hold all the cards and Davies will be in a room and hopefully the EU negotiator will put it straight from the beginning and say to him, ok David, we know you have given yourself the biggest political problem that any nation has done in a long long while, you have nothing to offer us that we need, some we would like for sure, but not need, as lets be clear all business which goes to UK will naturally be inclined to look for sourcing within EU once you have gone anyhow which will bring a surge in closer existing EU co -operation. Your Financial services industry which contributes a large tax take we will be taking anyhow through natural migration and later legislation. Your military which you may have felt was your final bargaining chip is not what you thought as we have only one existential threat which is Russia, should this become a real issue you know you could never defend against them anyhow and so do they, were any conflict to come that far only the US could intervene, so lets not pretend you have that chip. So I ask you to stop spouting nonsense for your local press and get real, speak to us with respect and we will do the same to you. Otherwise you will become cut off between the EU and the US and look very isolated to everyone, you make nothing much and will pretty soon be a tax haven run by media moguls and suffering mass public unrest due to the cuts in public services as your economy begins to fall quickly.

    If we are lucky they will allow us to re assess leaving, as in my view, otherwise I think we are pretty much finished for a generation or two. I have seen leave friends slowly give up on most arguments regarding any possible benefit, certainly none that remotely outweigh the risks.
  • laura, re your earlier comments - yes, I appear to be getting my 2000s and my 2009 fire/2010 recommendations mixed up. I was thinking of the Lakanal fire recommendations made in 2010, which are the ones where apparently the (Tory) govt committed to review section B (fire safety) of the building regs but hasn't. ;ok


    imo, the constant cuts to the civil service have left too few people trying to do too much, so that stuff like this review gets pushed down to a lower priority.
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    Apparently the Queen isn't going to be wearing her crown for today's Queen's Speech, and will not be getting the carriage out either.
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    My mistake, apparently the crown has decided to meet her there ;ok




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  • Half and hour, bish bosh, job;' a good 'un. Now off to Ascot. And the crown's got the rest of the day off. ;cool
  • About fifty or so protestors have gathered at Shepherds Bush for the "Day of Rage" march on Downing Street to "overthrow the government".

    More police and press than protestors........
  • It's a bit to hot for rage today.

    All I've managed is a bit miffed.
  • MrsGrey said:

    My mistake, apparently the crown has decided to meet her there ;ok




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    I think the Crown has to be at the State Opening of Parliament regardless of HM actually wearing it. On the news it showed HM in a blue outfit and matching hat reading The Queens Speech.
  • ;ok It was a European hat, apparently. ;diva
  • Dennis Skinner ;lol

    The Queen's Speech: MP tells Black Rod to 'get skates on'
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40351816
  • ;lol Apparently it's become a tradition every year that he (as a Republican) makes a comment.
  • MrsGrey said:

    ;lol Apparently it's become a tradition every year that he (as a Republican) makes a comment.

    Very witty he is too ;lol
  • Wanted: Brexiteers, either unemployed or with time on their hands, to pick fruit, otherwise we'll be paying twice as much for our strawberries at Wimbledon ;biggrin
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40354331
  • If they pay a decent wage I'd be interested......but I don't think they do.
  • Herb, read the article.
  • Suz - assuming that is Trumpton, is that a subliminal message that you think that our Donald wishes to restore the monarchy

    ;pray
  • I'm appalled. £1 billion to Northern Ireland just to prop up a minority government? I'm going to stay positive though & say that she is going to have a hard time justifying this one. Sinn Fein have already said that it contravenes the Good Friday agreement & puts the peace process at risk.She will face the wrath of the Scottish Parliament & the Welsh Assembly,she will face opposition from sections of the Westminster parliament & the millions of public sector workers on a permanent pay freeze will be outraged. It wouldn't even surprise me if there are some Tory voters in the shires who aren't happy about this. The 'there's no magic money tree' quote looks pretty shallow after this & might well come back to haunt her. Let's hope it does.
  • One more thing. The DUP got something like 292,000 votes & have 10 seats. UKIP,who I utterly despise by the way,got 593,000 votes & didn't get any seats.The Liberal Democrats got over 2 million votes yet only have 2 more seats than the DUP. Does anyone else think it's about time we ditched first past the post? The Tories would still have won with PR but it would be a much fairer representation of the people's choice.
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    Every one has their price......and in this case the DUP's is a cool £1 billion...... ;cool
  • One more thing. The DUP got something like 292,000 votes & have 10 seats. UKIP,who I utterly despise by the way, got 593,000 votes & didn't get any seats. The Liberal Democrats got over 2 million votes yet only have 2 more seats than the DUP. Does anyone else think it's about time we ditched first past the post? The Tories would still have won with PR but it would be a much fairer representation of the people's choice.

    No one would have won with PR, the Tories got 42.3%, Labour 40%, both would have had to try to form a coalition government, the most likely outcome would have been a Labour, Lib Dem and SNP coalition which would have given them 50.4%

    The last time any party won more than 50% of the vote was 1931, that is why neither Labour or the Tories want to ditch FPTP, they know that neither of them will ever win enough votes to form a government on their own and as the Tories are currently in government because of FPTP they certainly aren't going to change anything
  • I am not sure just how a party can use public money to bribe another party to allow them to form a majority, and so brazenly and up front as if there is nothing wrong with it. Surely any coalition or even support should be given due to sympathy with the party and it's manifesto.

    My view is that until Brexit is given up this country will be ungovernable and brexit must be given up by it's supporters rather than a political party, and that will only happen once the pain of that ludicrous decision is felt in every corner of the country, as I think it will begin to be soon. I think at present as brexit is such a shaper of voting you could hold three elections in three months and neither party would gain a majority. Only when Brexit is out of the equation will other things begin to change peoples vote, and due to the state of public funding and austerity we will get a Labour govt, once leave voters remove their votes from the conservative candidate as brexit no longer an issue.
  • Bucks Fizz... Then and now.

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