Brexit: the next stage. Deal or No Deal? (and the General Election)

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  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Sorry Laura but no one knowingly throws power away.
  • LaurasupababeLaurasupababe
    IronHerb said:

    Sorry Laura but no one knowingly throws power away.

    I think that is what she has done, last year politics was given a massive problem with Brexit which I don't think any politician of any political persuasion knows how to deal with. As for Brexit itself I'll believe it when it happens but I doubt it will.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Labour supporters chanting "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" as per "Oh Santi Cazorla" as he left his home this morning

    Well, he is a Gooner

    ;lol
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    The Tories held my constituency of Hendon but well done Corbyn, six weeks nobody gave him a prayer.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    I'm gobsmacked.

    I didn't stay up in the end, as I couldn't face another disappointment.

    I'm so pleased. ;biggrin
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I see the shadow chancellor has said labour can form a stable minority government without any deals or coalitions - I'd be fascinated to know how that would work in practice!!
  • LaurasupababeLaurasupababe
    Laurasupababe said:

    IronHerb said:

    Sorry Laura but no one knowingly throws power away.

    I think that is what she has done, last year politics was given a massive problem with Brexit which I don't think any politician of any political persuasion knows how to deal with. As for Brexit itself I'll believe it when it happens but I doubt it will.
    Ironherb,
    To sum up I don't believe a political party that ran a campaign as badly as Tories did, a manifesto that was simply a terrible attack on UK Ciizens, the cuts to education budgets, the Dementia Tax etc was/is serious about being in power so yes I do think May & co threw this election.
    Labours campaign was a slow burner, growing in confidence with a master stroke by Corbyn in deciding to appear at the leaders debate and challenge to do the same, she ducked it was seen to be running away from. No there's no way a party leader/party wanting power would do that.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    ITV tweeted the young vote went from 43% turnout in 2015 to 72% in 2017

    ;clap I guess brexit really did cheese off the Young. Glad to see them fight back :)
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    A real positive from all of this is an increased political engagement by the 'next generation' imo ;ok
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    The other milliband would have nailed it had he still been in politics

    No, the other Miliband would have come out with just more of the same watered down Tory policies that would never have got the under 24 vote out the way Corbyn did.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    And in more good news, Paul Nuttall has resigned. ;champagne
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Welcome back Nigel Farage
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;weep
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    MrsGrey said:

    And in more good news, Paul Nuttall has resigned. ;champagne

    At least he's got his Ph.D and the memory of his time with Tranmere Rovers to comfort him.
    Yeoldhammer said:

    Welcome back Nigel Farage

    After he's had a nice chat with the FBI......
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    If May had any decency... oh
  • stevesteve
    well that's another fine mess you seem to have got into ,really don't know how you do it over there .glad I came to Canada all those years ago saw the writing on the wall even then . ;biggrin
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    How much of last night was down to a backlash against the tories and how much down to being genuinely impressed with labour I wonder?
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    MrsGrey said:

    A real positive from all of this is an increased political engagement by the 'next generation' imo ;ok

    Which can only be a good thing for Labour ;ok
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    If the papers didn't constantly try to smear Corbyn's campaign i think the result may have been different. I think his campaign was great and he really reached out to the younger generation.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Support him or not Corbyn always comes across as a very decent human being.

    However, there are many who will be convinced that the numbers his team produce for the economy simply don't add up.

    I personally was extremely ;hmm about the proposal to hike the corporation tax to 26%. That would have been a major deterrent to any business wishing to carry out trade in the UK.

    Conversely the tories proposal to cut it to 17% is IMO too aggressive. There surely ought to have been a sensible middle ground on this and many issues.

    What we have ended up with polar extremes and a clear insight into exactly how divided this country is.

    As one Italian commentator put it, the UK is "ungovernable"
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
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  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    So May wants a coalition with the DUP - rather than being ruled from Brussels we are going to be ruled from Belfast.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Just image what could have been achieved had the Parliamentary Labour Party backed their leader - they would be in government this morning.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    It will not last, another election to take place by November imo.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    SuzanneClaret said:

    Just image what could have been achieved had the Parliamentary Labour Party backed their leader - they would be in government this morning.

    But they don't which makes the shadow chancellors quip that they can form a stable minority government pretty laughable IMO
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    baracks, I think that many (mainly on the right) of the party didn't back him primarily because they believed Labour was unelectable on a 'left wing' platform. Since the times they are a'changing, and he has pretty much proved them wrong, they are changing their view - a number have now come out and said they were wrong.
  • madridhammermadridhammer
    edited June 2017
    So,Corbyn gets crucified for his alleged links to Northern Irish terrorists.May now forms a government with the help of a party with links to Northern Irish terrorists.The hypocrisy is unbelievable & could backfire on her spectacularly.It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds because we are now talking about something that affects not just Britain but Ireland as well.Hard border anyone?
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    And now we believe what politicians say?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    SuzanneClaret said:

    So May wants a coalition with the DUP - rather than being ruled from Brussels we are going to be ruled from Belfast.

    It will be interesting how this plays out ... the DUP's policies are both to the right (anti gay-marriage) and to the left (eg, pro triple-lock) of the Tories. I can't see an alliance really working in the long term.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Yes but mrs g you don't have look outside of your party to find deeply contrasting views on certain issues.

    If the dup and tories have hooked up so quickly I don't think there will be another election for the full 5 years even if May is replaced. The Tories certainly won't be in a hurry to call one.

    Let's see if Corbyn and labour can continue to build on last night - it's very important that they do. And Corbyn should be careful who he puts in place for senior posts. Diane Abbott is probably a fantastic constituency mp, however is flawed in a more prominent post
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