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  • Chicago i agree iMO Joe Biden gave the presidency to Trump
  • If I`m not mistaken Suze, that is Thomas Jefferson. Unfortunately the content and spirit of The Declaration of Independence was ignored and forgotten before the ink was even dry. The values of Jefferson (slave owner aside) have been bastardised, corrupted and trampled over in the name of power, greed, corruption and Capitalism ever since. Not a bad thing (IMO) turning the clock back 300 years, if America had actually followed and adhered to the principles (particularly those of Jefferson) and sentiments of the original draft I guarantee you that people like Donald Trump would be nowhere near Government office and most likely wouldn`t even exist. Unfortunately the cries of Equality, Liberty and Fraternity were squashed by the very government whose duty it was to actually uphold these principles. Trump is the very antithesis of what Jefferson championed and (believe it or not) he would prefer no government at all to that of an administration headed by Mr Trump. I`m all for turning the clock back 300 years, as with the benefit of hindsight we should be able to avoid people like Trump and the other power hungry psychos that have gone before him.
  • Oh ok ;ok



    I just nicked off face book.
  • Suze, it could quite as easily be Shakespeare or Louis xiv, they all looked the same in them days...............................like an old version of Adam Ant..................
  • "I just knicked of face book"

    "Like an old version of Adam Ant"

    Qualiteeee!

    I just love the humour on this forum! ;clap
  • I meant to post this yesterday:



    Bear with, bear with - listen to the chorus ;biggrin
  • edited January 2017
    The God thing continues...

    According to Trump, God prevented it raining on their parade small gathering*.

    ;doh



    (*note-other forms of gathering are available. Just not for Trump's inauguration ;biggrin )
  • If there is a god I'm hoping there is some smiting in Trumps near future.
  • edited January 2017
    MrsGrey said:

    The God thing continues...

    According to Trump, God prevented it raining on their parade small gathering*.

    ;doh



    (*note-other forms of gathering are available. Just not for Trump's inauguration ;biggrin )

    but it rained and the god botherer said it was a blessing

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/franklin-graham-trump-inauguration-rain-sign-gods-blessing-173271/
  • So he said it didn't rain, but it actually did?

    ;doh

  • If he said today was Sunday I would still have to check.
  • Er.......yeah.


    Trump says lots of things.


    And he lies.



    Millions of Americans know this and didn't vote for him.




    Millions of Americans voted for him amd will learn this.



    Duuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh
  • edited January 2017






    Millions of Americans voted for him amd will learn this. and don't really care about his lies.



    Duuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh

    Fixed it for you ;ok



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    My comment earlier was a ;doh at the lie. I mean, they could think they'll get away with fudging the attendance figures. People might still believe their version of events or interpretation of the facts.

    But to lie about the actual weather? ;doh ;lol
  • The Republican Party leadership know Trump is a liability and the moment he ceases to be useful to them they will impeach him and Mike Pence will replace him.
  • Mike Pence is right wing side of the Tea Party, I get even more depressed
  • Sanders will landslide next election if he goes again
  • So, the Trump presidency begins with lies, inaccuracies, aggression towards the media, and self-aggrandisement.

    #startasyoumeantogoon
  • So, the Trump presidency begins with lies, inaccuracies, aggression towards the media, and self-aggrandisement.

    #startasyoumeantogoon

    And poor judgement, there really was no need to attack the media over a couple of pictures that were out there comparing attendance at the past couple of presidential inaugurations.

    He would have much been better served to just ignore the issue as it really is not an important issue, unfortunately, he could not help himself and he felt the need to fight back at what he saw as a slight against him.

    #poorjudgement

    Frankly the very first White House press secretary briefing was simply jaw dropping.

    The essence was that Trump wants the history books to record that more people were at his inauguration than any other, he then expects a line to be drawn under the issue believing that if he says something is true then we should all simply accept that it is true and move on.

    #ithinkheismistaken



  • Already, almost all of my work is involving Trump and I'm not even in the US ;weep
  • edited January 2017
    ;weep ;hug

    But what you are doing is so important.

    It seems to me that he sees the media (or at least an unbiased media, interested in the facts, and unaccountable to him) as a threat.

    So he is trying to neutralise that threat by both discrediting and marginalising such media.

    He is trying to disempower the reputable media, manipulate the news, and embed a worldview that facts are irrelevant, anyone who disagrees is lying, and the truth what he says it is.

    That, imo, is why the first presser of his newly appointed Press Secretary took no questions, and made claims that were easily disproved. And why he is (apparently) considering removing credentials from reputable media outlets, or those that are critical, and inviting selected 'bloggers,' sycophants and non-mainstream to be part of the press corps.

  • Alternative facts ;doh
  • Unbiased Reputable Media "Laughable"..

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/07/donna-brazile-is-totally-not-sorry-for-leaking-cnn-debate-questions-to-hillary-clinton/?utm_term=.646d85f05c7b

    Many elements of the liberal media will do and say anything to create controversy and confusion. Unfortunately Trump bites at much of the proverbial taking the focus off the issues which the media cannot defend.
    TV Media hosts are interviewing with an obvious axe to grind, they are not interested in any way to learn, what, how, or if, they simply fish for new controversial headlines and call it investigative reporting.

    Time will tell, Trump may very well turn out to be a breath of fresh air, certainly beats 4 more years of Obamas failed domestic and foreign policies.
  • MrsGrey said:

    ;weep ;hug



    That, imo, is why the first presser of his newly appointed Press Secretary took no questions, and made claims that were easily disproved. And why he is (apparently) considering removing credentials from reputable media outlets, or those that are critical, and inviting selected 'bloggers,' sycophants and non-mainstream to be part of the press corps.

    This is becoming quite common. Spokespeople running WhatsApp groups that are convenient for all involved but actually give all the power to the officials. They don't have to run press conferences that will be put on camera when they don't answer Qs, they can just ignore the messages while disseminating info as they like. Netanyahu almost never does proper press conferences where you get to answer the Qs.

    Social media has allowed them to increase the flow of 'info' but completely control what that consists of and prevent it being questioned.
  • The Emperor's New Clothes
  • simon, what do you think about the blatant lies about the inauguration attendance figures then? Just completely false and easily disprovable - no secret info or data needed, just look at what is already in the public domain.

    Is that 'a breath of fresh air' in your view?



  • That article you posted, simon. I'm not sure what point you are making or what argument you think it supports.


  • I think the most worrying aspect of Trump is his capacity to take things personally and his speed of reaction (albeit mainly through twitter). I have long held that one of the key traits of effective strategists and leaders is their ability to not take things personally, generally the higher intelligence in anyone the less they take things personally because when someone attacks you personally the strategist is more interested in what that reveals about you and how best to use that within their strategy of dealing with you, rather than what they are saying about you.

    Traditionally Presidents would appear professional to avoid providing too many psychological reads to potential adversaries. As president you never know when a bay of pigs will arise. Once Obama gave his game away with regard Russia they just went for it, their aims will now have shifted from sphere of influence for now to sanctions removal. They will recognise Trump as a narcissist and so will be sure to make him feel good about himself and treat him as an intelligent person who is coming up with the ideas they wish him to move forward with, give him something early so he can gain approval at home for striking a rapport with you that gains him reward, let him feel you trust him and then seek your aim, he will not want to refuse you and will create a context to give you what you want.

    To fair however him behaving professionally so as not to reveal his personal make up too soon is pretty pointless when you have appeared on the apprentice. Putin is still putting on re runs, looking at Lavrov and going 'really' whilst chuckling.
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