Yesterday was the best atmosphere since the Chelsea game the place was rocking by the time the third went it. Most enjoyable pl home game so far . Happy the see byram get on and thought feghouli looked good turned palace inside out more than once and I hope he stays
I see Sam was back to his best (this is not meant to be a bringing up old ground post, just interesting comments like a lot of managers make).
They had two glorious chances to go 0-1 (I only saw one, which Tomkins saw incredibly late and was therefore more an instinctive shot than a genuine, thought through attempt) and then some half chances with the odd shot from outside the box.
He then said we gifted them all three goals. Really? I mean, really?
Am surprised at how poorly they've started under him.
They may well have started poorly under him but he will definitely have them be well clear of the drop zone before too long. No way that palace side is getting relegated under him
They may well have started poorly under him but he will definitely have them be well clear of the drop zone before too long. No way that palace side is getting relegated under him
His got his work cut out more than he thought IMO ... To me they look toothless and yesterday offered really nothing, they actually IMO played as poor as any team I've seen this season
I think Luke's point is that Allardyce seems to suggest that our goals had nothing to do with our build up play or execution, but we're simply down to Palace mistakes.
Yes, Hennessey make a couple of ill-judged rushes, but all of our goals were the result of excellent passes (Noble to Antonio for the first, Cresswell to Lanzini for the second and Antonio to Lanzini for the third) and some outstanding finishing.
I mean the first you could name the goalkeeper, who I think is a dreadful keeper and can't believe he plays in the PL. His goal-kick led to the passage of play which led to Nobes chipping in Antonio, and then he comes rushing out and makes it relatively easy for us to score.
Second goal is just a moment of quality. Ok, there is no pressure/challenge on him, and too much space for Antonio to cross, but they were 1-0 down with10 left. The game was always going to be more open.
The third I'd blame nobody. You're 2-0 down with 5 left looking for a goal back to create a grand stand finish. Get caught on the break from your attacking play (was it a corner?).
I just think if you look at games they are a lot more complicated than just blaming players. With Sam, it's always didn't score chances + didn't defend well = reason why we lost. I mean you could say that about every defeat in the history of football.
I think had it been the other way round we may have seen some fans saying that the keeper is at fault for the first, the rightback doesn't close down the crosser (imagine it was Nordtveit), and that the third was the whole team capitulating. But I don't necessarily think those things are enough to blame the players anyway
Just seen this on the Sky Sports commentary link of the game:
GOAL! WEST HAM 3-0 C PALACE (Lanzini, 86)
A terrific break from West Ham and they add a third to their tally with four minutes of the half to play.
Reid clears a cross from Remy at the other end and sets off Antonio on the break. He races down the middle of the park, and lays the ball of beautifully to Lanzini who continues the run.
Hennessey is again out far too early and cannot do a lot as Lanzini rounds him before slotting home into an open net, jumping into the crowd as he celebrates.
Is it me or is there something fishy about that last bit? ;hmm
Lukerz, if you were a Palace fan watching that game, who would you blame for each of the goals? A serious question.
;hmm
I would've been very surprised if SA had said anything different. We shouldn't be shocked at least he's consistent he said the same many many times with us.
Personally I think it's what you get when you have a more pragmatic, defensive Manager. He knows there will of been somewhere in there that defensively they could've done more, whether it's the keeper (twice) or stopping the play/cross for Carroll, or even someone marking him?
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They had two glorious chances to go 0-1 (I only saw one, which Tomkins saw incredibly late and was therefore more an instinctive shot than a genuine, thought through attempt) and then some half chances with the odd shot from outside the box.
He then said we gifted them all three goals. Really? I mean, really?
Am surprised at how poorly they've started under him.
;hmm
To me they look toothless and yesterday offered really nothing, they actually IMO played as poor as any team I've seen this season
Yes, Hennessey make a couple of ill-judged rushes, but all of our goals were the result of excellent passes (Noble to Antonio for the first, Cresswell to Lanzini for the second and Antonio to Lanzini for the third) and some outstanding finishing.
I mean the first you could name the goalkeeper, who I think is a dreadful keeper and can't believe he plays in the PL. His goal-kick led to the passage of play which led to Nobes chipping in Antonio, and then he comes rushing out and makes it relatively easy for us to score.
Second goal is just a moment of quality. Ok, there is no pressure/challenge on him, and too much space for Antonio to cross, but they were 1-0 down with10 left. The game was always going to be more open.
The third I'd blame nobody. You're 2-0 down with 5 left looking for a goal back to create a grand stand finish. Get caught on the break from your attacking play (was it a corner?).
I just think if you look at games they are a lot more complicated than just blaming players. With Sam, it's always didn't score chances + didn't defend well = reason why we lost. I mean you could say that about every defeat in the history of football.
Agree with all of that.
I think had it been the other way round we may have seen some fans saying that the keeper is at fault for the first, the rightback doesn't close down the crosser (imagine it was Nordtveit), and that the third was the whole team capitulating. But I don't necessarily think those things are enough to blame the players anyway
They now also lack Pardews attack instinct.
Whilst the first half was even we battered them in the second, we had another plan, they did not.
If you set up to draw and then concede you have no were to go.
They are in trouble.
It was a great day all round.
;wahoo
Chinese take away for us.... nom nom nom
Reports are that it was a bit more electric.
Kind of shows that when the team does well, the ground will be buzzing and people forget it's no longer the Boleyn.
GOAL! WEST HAM 3-0 C PALACE (Lanzini, 86)
A terrific break from West Ham and they add a third to their tally with four minutes of the half to play.
Reid clears a cross from Remy at the other end and sets off Antonio on the break. He races down the middle of the park, and lays the ball of beautifully to Lanzini who continues the run.
Hennessey is again out far too early and cannot do a lot as Lanzini rounds him before slotting home into an open net, jumping into the crowd as he celebrates.
Is it me or is there something fishy about that last bit? ;hmm
It felt more 'together' if that makes sense. A more united place.
When there was chanting it was really loud. The acoustics are fab.
Lots more chatting with people you don't know on the way to the station too.
"Lanzini is booked for having the nerve to enjoy life by celebrating with some fans."
;lol
But I guess it also makes a difference when you have a round peg for a round hole and can actually bring on a RB.
And why not?
Personally I think it's what you get when you have a more pragmatic, defensive Manager. He knows there will of been somewhere in there that defensively they could've done more, whether it's the keeper (twice) or stopping the play/cross for Carroll, or even someone marking him?
It's ingrained in his DNA
Just my opinion mind
;ok
Rooney's is however better than Ashton's who had much more time to manouver himself due to Rio doing virtually nothing.
Ashton tweeted yesterday, "Just handing Carroll my crown he makes mine look like a tap in"