I won't stand for this - The thread all about standing at the OS.

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  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    But supposedly they have been banned ? so if it kicks off again against Accrington / Southampton then something is happening inside the stadium enough that even after banning multiple people it still happens.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Oh! It's ok then.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2016
    Yeoldhammer said:

    But supposedly they have been banned ? so if it kicks off again against Accrington / Southampton then something is happening inside the stadium enough that even after banning multiple people it still happens.

    I don't really get what you are saying.

    Are you saying ALL the people who have been causing problems have been banned? Because I don't think that's the case.

    And even if that were so, there will be 'new' people going to future games that wouldn't have been at previous ones.

    ;puzzled
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    then what is the case ? they have banned a select few that's daft then, surely its a policy if fighting happens you get banned end of story. If they haven't all being banned then there is definite failings in the stewardship and management of the stadium CCTV E.T.C.

    I don't believe either that suddenly at Accrington and Southampton we will have a host of new people that will suddenly kick off and start a rumble. Considering there are how many season ticket holders?
  • IrondukeIronduke
    Police no longer cover inside arenas, stadia etc. They Police the streets outside based on intel received. They will only enter stadium if requested by owners if a crime is in progress or other life threatening event. To have Police inside grounds now has to paid for by the organiser/owner etc, not the public and requested months in advance. When I first went to Police Watford, a cat C match was 300plus officers and about 8 dogs...B 180-230, and A 100-150..thhere was occasionally trouble but there enough of us to deal with it...dogs are best ... I saw 5 dogs and handlers see off 400 gooners at Watford....no one wants to get bitten..and they dont recognise uniforms, best place to be is behind the dog!
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Sorry Ironduke but that's not the case anymore. There are often police in the grounds, some in the bar area and some in the segregation zone. I've only seen dogs at Tottenham, apart from sniffer dogs that are at a few grounds.
  • IrondukeIronduke
    no need to be sorry,my input is 7 yrs old.....but there are none at WEST HAM
  • eskimokingeskimoking
    Here you go. So Airwave is my company. As far as I can see they still haven't ordered it from us.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/13/west-ham-olympic-stadium-radio-system-met-police?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Problem is with the BBC being the most non impartial media organisation going, all these problems are giving them big sticks to beat us with
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    What's it got to do with the BBC? This mostly all our own doing.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Name me one media organisation that IS impartial!!
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    I can't because there isn't any.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Is the correct answer ;wahoo
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Thanks Miss ;biggrin
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Gold ;star on the chart for you.

  • AdMeus_CaputFiliusAdMeus_CaputFilius
    MrsGrey said:

    I also think it is important to keep things in perspective: over 270 000 people have been to games at the stadium so far and how many have been involved in fisticuffs?

    It is a tiny %.


    ;hmm ...... Really, how did you work that out? Or is there some information out there you can quote.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2016
    Well, subject to my not great mental maths skills, I looked at the attendance figures for the home games.

    (They are on the club site, under 'Fixtures and Results' - click on the individual match and go to 'review'. The attendance is down the bottom of the match report ;ok )
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Ooooo a ;star

    ;wahoo
  • HammerexHammerex
    SuzanneClaret said:

    Thanks Miss ;biggrin

    Teachers Pet..
    ;bowdown
  • AdMeus_CaputFiliusAdMeus_CaputFilius
    So not actual individuals then, just based on attendance - 52K ST holders ....... how many have been to every game? or all but 1.....

    So you cant just use a cumulative figure, without actual hard figures about 190,000 ( Just over 70%) of that total could be ST holders who have been to all or most of the games so far, we know from people posting that some CM's and also non-ST/CM's have been twice at least so maybe that would account for another 16,200 (6%), 10,000 (being generous) of the total for away fans.

    Taking that into account the total number of individuals attending the stadium, including all those who have only be once, would be somewhere between 106,000 - 112,000.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    But if you are wanting to limit the attendance to everyone who has been once, and don't double count them, then you have to limit the 'troublemakers' likewise.

    As you say, depend how you calculate it - if you can't use a cumulative figure... how many recidivists were causing trouble at more than one game?

    I still maintain 'naughty' is a very small %.

    Let's go with your guesstimate of between 106 and 112 thousand. Call it 100 thousand.

    1000 people causing trouble?

    1%.

    Very Small.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Small percentage but large number!
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2016
    Yup.

    But then '100 000 West Ham fans have a good time and no problems watching West Ham' don't make for good headlines.


    Ask any neutral, 'what do you know about the move to the new stadium?'

    They'll say... ah, trouble, fans fighting each other, loads of problems with the move, fans are unhappy, they need the police to keep it under control but won't pay for it...
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    And that was my point earlier. Almost exactly how the BBC's Dan Roan has been reporting it.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;ok

    Good news never sold a single newspaper.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    If there wasn't fighting/standing problems there wouldn't be any news. We'd been talking about half of these issues before they'd come up in the media, so why would you expect the media to then ignore them?
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    But it is news and not media bias.
    Fans fighting amongst themselves in a stadium is almost unheard of so it makes the news. Reporting that no terrorist acts were carried out in London today is not news, as is 50,000 fans not causing trouble..
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    outcast

    I wasn't saying it shouldn't be reported.

    I was more bemoaning the fact that the (wider) public perception is now skewed to one (incomplete) version of events.

    'Twas ever thus, and not just on the subject of West Ham. ;ok
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    I think the wider public would always take that approach anyway due to the fiasco over the "taxpayers stadium" and all to rain down more frustration at West Ham's lucrative deal. You wouldn't find sympathy from a rival club either who would look to just put down other clubs anyway.

    Outside of West Ham fans I don't think you will find many "neutrals" so to say in favour of West Ham or viewing us in a "good light" so to speak regardless of Media.
  • MarkNobleLocalHeroMarkNobleLocalHero
    They've brought in the lor!!

    whufc.com/News/Articles/2016/September/15-September/E20-confirm-Chris-Allison-CBE-appointment
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