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I told them, but they did not listen.
On a thread that has had around 100 new comments today, suggesting that debate is not allowed or frowned on, or that only 'the party line' is allowed seems a bit strange.
Clearly, this post is self-contradictory, since you and others have been and are free to post what you think.
The reference to 'pointless' was that, in the opinion of many users NOT just MrsG, the non-standing is a done deal, and arguing about what the club should have done or should do will make no difference.
Doesn't mean you can't carry on, just that, in the opinion of many, it will have no impact. Why can't people challenge the source of a rumour?
And how would that stop others from discussing a player if they want to? People on here are free to post their emotional responses to issues if that is what they want. Others are free to approach an issue with an analytical slant if that is their bent (see what I did there? ;wink )
If people just want a forum where they can vent their views and feelings unchallenged, they are bound to be disappointed on here.
But they were blinded, by pound notes and ST sales
If this doesn't sort itself out (which it probably will over time) and people are forced to sit all
Over because there are kids and families Now in the old Unofficial standing areas (BML/TBL/Chav) then the atmosphere is gone.
We will be the new library. Just like Brady had at her favoured club.
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The club and DG in particular spout off they are mere custodians of the club, really it's the fans.
If the fans don't bother to point out the wrongs of the club how do we improve? If they don't acknowledge or ask for feedback how do we try and get more right than wrong.
Well if we've suddenly turned into a club that just worries about the numbers and the money, what's the point.
Why have an SAB or anything similar? Nope let's just sit there eat your popcorn and be thankful you've got a seat at the shiny new bowl. Because if you don't there will be someone to replace you and your loyalty of X amount of years.
The number 1 priority should've been to make sure the 26k ST and possibly members were taken care off, not X amount of non-hammers that jumped the queue and ended up on the founders wall because someone at the RC was on a bonus scheme to sell as many tickets as possible whichever way they could (lies, false information etc)
"I have kids, we've been to the previous games in our East Stand season ticket seats, my kids have missed most of the game.
We didn't know what we'd bought, or where we'd be... but it's not too much to expect to be able to see the pitch.
You wanna stand for no reason; they are 4ft tall and didn't choose row 64. Give us a chance."
What can the club do if the stadium owners insist on fans not 'persistently standing'?
Seriously, what is it you think they can do?
You can point out what you see as the +2 club failings all you like.
The
stadium ownersLondon Stadium Safety Advisory Group and Newham Council are insisting on the 'no persistent standing' rule being adhered to. They have already penalised the club for failing to ensure this.How do you see that being 'sorted out'?
You may well be right, but that isn't the view of those in charge of issuing the safety certificate, sadly.
What they should've done is focus a bit more on the paying loyal customer rather than the +2 scheme.
Possibly they could find a ticket swap process to allow people to move into areas that are happily seated or standing, if they don't then this could potentially take years to unravel itself, maybe less of a number of tourist fans or +2 that only came to see what all the fuss was about, move on.
But for anyone to say " oh well that's it, deal with it" is wrong, fans wouldn't of got half they have today without having some kind of voice.
I am truly worried that now the club have the demand, the 52k sold and 30k waiting list, that they switch off knowing that someone will replace you and the atmosphere doesn't take off.
For me, it's up to the club to try and make this right. I am in no way condoning people who stand in front of others with no respect, I wouldn't do it to someone not would I want it done to me.
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And (2) even if they now set up a ticket swap to put right what they got wrong (again, using those terms for convenience) it would make no difference . Because the issue over persistent standing will still be a problem.
Even though it might not then upset other fans who are having their view blocked, by grouping 'standers' together, the safety/licence issue will still require people to spend more time on their bums than on their feet ;ok
It was the club, not the fans, way back when
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I honestly can't see why you think this would have made a difference.
The main issue is not that some fans are standing and blocking the view of other fans, the main issue is that those responsible for issuing the safety certificate for the club's matches are insisting on no persistent standing, and have shown they are prepared to punish the club if they fail to enforce it.
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Wouldnot change a thing if a whole stand was "sold" as the place to be in your voice only works when you're standing. The owners would still say, "erm, tell them lot to sit down as you're not renting a stand if you fancy it stadium but an all seater, so sit"
Also those wanting to bash the club, this is coming from the stadium operators not the club. Ok the club could have tried to group fans better (family area etc..) but standing would still be an issue.
We have only played a couple of games at the new stadium, it is very early days, how about we give the powers that be a chance to resolve these issues. By all accounts they seem to be canvassing for feedback to help make it better. It was never going to be perfect from game one!
But how much of one?
But even as someone who wouldn't probably do it today, I do get a warm fuzzy feeling watching the standing crew behind the goals or wherever belting out whatever anthem or funny chant.........while standing, bouncing around or whatever.
If that doesn't add to the atmosphere, then I'm not sure what does.
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Why?
because nobody would've complained, therefore the club wouldn't of had this issue to deal with.
The seaters would be happily seated, the kids, the young, the old whoever only rising when it mattered.
The standers would've been bouncing around like they always have.
and the stewards would've been doing very little.
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I'm just getting in training for when Luke has to add one of each for every single post I make....
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