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You may well be right, but that isn't the view of those in charge of issuing the safety certificate, sadly.
What they should've done is focus a bit more on the paying loyal customer rather than the +2 scheme.
Possibly they could find a ticket swap process to allow people to move into areas that are happily seated or standing, if they don't then this could potentially take years to unravel itself, maybe less of a number of tourist fans or +2 that only came to see what all the fuss was about, move on.
But for anyone to say " oh well that's it, deal with it" is wrong, fans wouldn't of got half they have today without having some kind of voice.
I am truly worried that now the club have the demand, the 52k sold and 30k waiting list, that they switch off knowing that someone will replace you and the atmosphere doesn't take off.
For me, it's up to the club to try and make this right. I am in no way condoning people who stand in front of others with no respect, I wouldn't do it to someone not would I want it done to me.
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And (2) even if they now set up a ticket swap to put right what they got wrong (again, using those terms for convenience) it would make no difference . Because the issue over persistent standing will still be a problem.
Even though it might not then upset other fans who are having their view blocked, by grouping 'standers' together, the safety/licence issue will still require people to spend more time on their bums than on their feet ;ok
It was the club, not the fans, way back when
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I honestly can't see why you think this would have made a difference.
The main issue is not that some fans are standing and blocking the view of other fans, the main issue is that those responsible for issuing the safety certificate for the club's matches are insisting on no persistent standing, and have shown they are prepared to punish the club if they fail to enforce it.
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Wouldnot change a thing if a whole stand was "sold" as the place to be in your voice only works when you're standing. The owners would still say, "erm, tell them lot to sit down as you're not renting a stand if you fancy it stadium but an all seater, so sit"
Also those wanting to bash the club, this is coming from the stadium operators not the club. Ok the club could have tried to group fans better (family area etc..) but standing would still be an issue.
We have only played a couple of games at the new stadium, it is very early days, how about we give the powers that be a chance to resolve these issues. By all accounts they seem to be canvassing for feedback to help make it better. It was never going to be perfect from game one!
But how much of one?
But even as someone who wouldn't probably do it today, I do get a warm fuzzy feeling watching the standing crew behind the goals or wherever belting out whatever anthem or funny chant.........while standing, bouncing around or whatever.
If that doesn't add to the atmosphere, then I'm not sure what does.
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Why?
because nobody would've complained, therefore the club wouldn't of had this issue to deal with.
The seaters would be happily seated, the kids, the young, the old whoever only rising when it mattered.
The standers would've been bouncing around like they always have.
and the stewards would've been doing very little.
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I'm just getting in training for when Luke has to add one of each for every single post I make....
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I realise because of price and novelty we were always going to attract some more/new fans. Affordability played a major part, a father could take his three boys to every game for a fraction of what it cose before.
But double our Season Ticket fan base in months????
In hindsight the +1 was probably enough, but we may still of seen issues.
It's not about wanting to bash the club or anyone, it's pointing out what appear to be obvious mistakes or differences in the process that may or may not have proved to be a better solution.
I've read litterally pages of horror stories about fans ST purchase experience, whether it be view, cost, location etc etc one fan was sold a seat that didn't exist. Now I'm sure over time the club will rectify this but my biggest issue is that like so many problems the club creates for itself, were actually avoidable.
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They aren't club employees, so they wouldn't have just shrugged and said #whatever.
They would have complained to the stadium operators, either about the abuse they were getting or to ask for guidance on what they should do in the event of persistent standing and fans ignoring their request to sit ....
and events would have played out more or less have done already. imo.
The factor of fans not being able to see is a minor issue in all of this - it has only really come play a big part in the debate because it was mentioned by the club when they wrote to everyone appealing to standers to show some consideration. (Appealing to their better nature, if you like. How dd that work out, btw?)
There were lots and lots of people (rightly) annoyed at having their view blocked or being told to sit down.
Had we somehow managed to get all the standers in the right places with little to no complaints then it would've been just like it was at UP.
Man City don't own their ground, I have no idea who is responsible for the safety certificate or enforcing any sitting regulations, do they still have problems, do they still stand and do people still get (threatened) ejected?
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I wonder how they got round all this moving from Maine Road, perhaps they didn't have the issue? Perhaps it took years for it to work itself out?
From what she remembers;
1] season tickets holders were given no choice about what seat they would get in the new stadium.
2] she moved at the end of the first season as she didn't like her new seat. The roof did not cover the stand fully and she got wet a lot.
3] she was moved again the following season when the family stand was created.
4] she doesn't recall standing being an issue but she will ask on her version of 606 and get back to me.